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"You think, when you're out of school you're free, sonny? Oh, hell no! Then work life calls for you - and work life is only a continuation of what's been happening in school, only worse and even more strict. What you already were there, you gonna be also in your job life. If you were a loser, a slacker or a victim of your school mates' coping methods for boredom already there, then you gonna be the same among your colleagues. A really, really small cog in the clockwork...
The only way you'll not be forced to deal with this is when you happened to be born to an incredibly wealthy family or if you managed to become rich on your own before the day you leave school. Which is like zero probability.
So, don't even try to think you're a bigwig that gets his way."

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Date: 5 July 2017 01:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onb2017.livejournal.com
It is just the environment, so the whole structure of society is like that. There is very little compassion when you have to compete for a loaf of bread. And then some contempt of those who are born entitled and think they are the kings. So kind of sad but expected in this world.

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Date: 5 July 2017 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onb2017.livejournal.com
If meant the opposite, sorry, it is idealism, I stick to materialistic views. Being defines consciousness: you cannot expect different consciousness in these conditions. Just because few individual have does not meant society as a whole can all of a sudden in their head change the way they think and change the objective reality. The other way around: the reality when it gets unbearable will make society, hopefully, change it and then the collective reason will gradually adjust to the new reality. When the economic system changes then the consciousness will too, gradually though.

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Date: 5 July 2017 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onb2017.livejournal.com
Oh, ok. I see, so you are just saying it is school to learn and adjust what everyone is going to face in their future life on daily basis?

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Date: 5 July 2017 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] onb2017.livejournal.com
OK, I see, it is just a way of advocating that as bad as system is you need to adjust to survive and then work from that to possibly change it.

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Date: 5 July 2017 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maadmike.livejournal.com
Interesting conversation but why are you so circled on school? I like my own school times – yes I was sometimes bitten, bullied as all but it is normal practice of Russian social institutes I guess but I remember much more positive things about school days – many friends and I communicating with them now, sport activity, kind and generous teachers, many first experiences, self-growth and many many other things. Institutes times all the same I was bitten but not bullied already. Work times – all the same but not bitten so I don’t see no dramatic here.
What is about a work talk – my dream is to have work which will feed me and my family and will be a happiest time spending, partly it is now though it is very physically difficult – it will not be this I think farther more when everything will be at place. I could work 8 hours a day on a plant and be happy with time left but the salaries in Russia are so low that it is better to work by himself and it is more profitable if you really work – no matter what you are doing – food, wood, driving even it gives you more money than fucking businessmen are willingly paying to you now at Russia, so then fuck them all and lets them do all the work by themselves…
But of course I am not dreaming to escape the society - it is impossible and is not necessary cause society with a clever using - a helpful more than harmful thing I believe, maybe if I will flee to Siberia I could be free of it but I have to do ALL by himself and it is a sweat dream and even “if” our mother Earth actually is so small now to hide - you should go to ocean or to space to get rid of our common destiny I think...

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Date: 5 July 2017 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maadmike.livejournal.com
I agree with you and could add to these your thoughts many my speculations but I say simply that in education, morality base I tend to old religions like Buddhism, Hinduism and they teach a lot.
The problem of yesterday is a slavery the problem of today is stupidity - people wish what they don't need to live happily and are spending so much efforts to be as others - to have this and that and this wrong thinking is driving them to nowadays slavery - debts, jobless, drugs and so on. I like strict logic - you are a man - you need to eat - you have to get some food and so on but not vice versa like you are stupid useless fat old arse - you are in debts, you have to do something (to kill somebody somewhere) and your debts will be reduced little and so on for example... It would be fun if tomorrow people will be born with debts...

BTW with analyzing the contradictions of religions we could get a glimpse of what is real.

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Date: 6 July 2017 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maadmike.livejournal.com
I don't know education is a difficult matter but I tell you that my institute was such a place where everyday you are in dark hole and everyday it seems the world is telling you Fuck off, I am constantly through my life after I had finished this wonderful school are seeing a nightmare that I am at institute again and have an exam... So, you know I believe I could get anything and it is normal for me to get through numerable failures it is not affecting me in no way... I am glad to study new things, to try new things, to reach new horizons...
What it is about youngsters we have in Russia still good schools, teachers but yeah not many parents and children are ready to go through such obstacles while there is an easy option to pay and don't give a fuck and after yeah life is hard...

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