Like after WWII

[matrixmann]

If developing the idea of mixed school year tuition in school even only on a federal level because there are not enough students to fill the year classes, does that mean you're a rich country?

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Part I

[matrixmann]

Rumor is that Gorbi even directly sold the GDR for foreign credits, but I really have no idea if it's still a thing from the lands of weird conspiracy theories or if someone really knows about anything.

Well, the things that I can find are: If you look at it a little closer, the whole turnaround process looks like repeating the events of the upheaval on June 17th in 1953 in Berlin. Only this time West Germany knew, there are no Soviet tanks to come to stop the havoc. Have some text around here under the tag "eastern row" where I researched and wrote something about that event out of rage because I was pissed about hearing the international cheer about the fall of the Berlin Wall here and that by people who never even lived here for a day.
You know, the freedom of places like this here is: You can write your own part of the story. That's what I did.

Even already that event West Germany tried to make his own badge on the jacket. Heritage of that is that once West Germany's national holiday was on June 17th until the turnaround. (I know it only from reading and maybe hearing.) Surely to turn it into a favorable direction for them.
But, the upheaval was cut short - something that also seemed like nobody internatinally was prepared for that kind of reaction.
Another time something like this, you could bet your ass on that Soviet tanks are gonna come up again...
But, with a Soviet Union like in the 80s, you probably know as much as me, this had already been wishful thinking.
So - a blank ticket to do whatever you want to do, nobody's gonna stop you from it...

I know too less about that issue about the people who fled to the embassy in Prague; only thing that's known to me from tales is: People who did a stunt like this, came crying they want to leave the GDR, they sometimes even came there with their own car and cried around how evil the regime is that they want to leave. In socialism traveling with you own car! Everyone knows how expensive they were and you needed to wait like 15 years for it, so these people weren't poor! And then sometimes they left behind houses and farms. Houses - even propaganda still tells these days that the GDR had no material for private building! So, what are you if you have a house that is build in a system that has no material for the free market? Yes, you're a fucking rich fucker.
Your throat's already full and you still can't get enough...


The issue in Hungary with the timely-limited border opening I know more.
People who were in Hungary on vacation at the time this was report themselves how much you were molested by people telling and urging you to cross over the border. It's just not only conspirational talking by Honecker and his associates.
Next thing is, the even happened somehow in cooperation with some CSU member (Bavarian equivalent to the conservative CDU) - West German politician, do bells already ring? Free choice? Border opening advised to GDR citizens specifically? You betcha.

It's a little hard finding anything about this concretely. Even struggled myself to find a term under which you find that topic exactly. "Paneuropäisches Picknick" is the German term where I see it is about the border opening in action in Hungary. - Ah, "Pan-European Picnic", I see, they also call it internationally (just looked it up). Officially a "peace rally", but if you go through the content and know its meaning in the international context, then you know the true nature.

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[onb2017.livejournal.com]

Probably, lots of rumors about it, I wouldn't doubt I also heard something like this.

Re: Part I

[matrixmann]

At least all those things I can even find anything about at Wikipedia, those are enough for me to create that assumption. - And I need to give the advise regarding that platform, which I have come across: The English entries are often pretty much what you expect of Western history writing about these events.
The German entries often enough offer more information, and that information that they contain just makes it more possible to get a rather critical opinion. Maybe, concerning if you already have a suspective position before or if you already got a bit of "not written in the history books of the winner"-knowledge.

Re: Part I

[onb2017.livejournal.com]

Thanks, honestly, I just scanned the second part, I will read it carefully this weekend and give you some thoughts.

Re: Part I

[onb2017.livejournal.com]

Here I am. So sounds very similar to what happened in the late Soviet Union. And people actually willingly took the red flag off the Kremlin. In fact I had a guy in my journal who said that because of propaganda he was the one to cheer and do such a thing and then he learnt what it was really. The thing is that by that time it was pretty much inevitable, people got that petty-bourgeois mentality when they wanted jeans and bubble gum and all that crap. Didn't realized what they were loosing but at the time it was too late, anyway.

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Might be.
As far as I get the thing, even if the West hadn't planted his own plans in between all this, something would have needed to change ain both states, in the whole Soviet block, anyway.
As the Soviet Union in the 80s also slowly growing got sick and rotten from the inside from its own members in the state which used it and their jobs in trustful positions for their own dirty businesses. And as, since Хрущёв had died, there had really been lack of a leader with a profile in politics and personally in the Soviet Uniion. (I know it as far from tales that after he died, the next one in the row didn't live very long, about a year or so, and I think, if I'm not totally mistaken, the next one also didn't stay very long from the reason of dying - and then it already was Gorbis turn.)
Something had to happen anyway, West or not.