Outcast

[matrixmann]

It't just a shame, if you have to turn your back on your asserted political direction, or your asserted subculture, just because those people that are in it are so stubborn, narrow-minded and willing to perceive anything that makes you, in their eyes, be no-one that belongs to their roundel.

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[mandarinsun.livejournal.com]

It kind of reminds me of how once an African American girl in the Goth scene came up to my girlfriend and I and said she was hurt and angry that she didn't fit in and I replied that no one really fit in there. It was just dozens of people that all didn't feel like they fit it.

[mandarinsun.livejournal.com]

I think the danger that comes with being an outsider though is that it is probably likely that a person that is an outsider is often criticizing people that he/she considers insiders to keep their outsider status. So, the true might be to be outside, but talk to other people without automatically alienating or hating them.

I would be a lot that there are tons of people that feel like they are in the out group and then just whatever happens they perceive it as further proof they are in the out group. In fact, people that become psychotic see slights in everything that happens and often start becoming delusional about being persecuted by the groups that they do not belong too. Often, they really are being persecuted, to an extent, which makes it very complicated.

I'm just trying to say that, especially with millenials and igeneration types that I see here, I would bet that if I went up to some of them and made the argument that they should be less like their peers and more authentic to what they feel intuitively, they'd agree with me. So, what does that say about their group?

It's just psychologically healthier to not believe that you are extremely alienated. A lot of people see the same problems with society that you see. People just have a lot at stake in their status with their girlfriend/boyfriend, wife/husband, job/profession, etc... They can't just go around being contrary to what is going on.

It's been my experience working with the 20 somethings at the call center that when I say something that makes fun of something stupid that people do to fit in, they laugh pretty hard. It's not like they have a lot of rational reasons for what they are doing. If you have a rational point, the more intelligent ones will understand it. The less intelligent ones probably will just go along with you because you are being bold and a leader and they are mostly all followers.

[mandarinsun.livejournal.com]

You're right about invites, but in the Goth scene there were different levels of If you feel uninvited, I'd recommend inviting someone else somewhere because a lot of people feel uninvited too.

It is mostly like a stupid game where everyone feels like they don't belong though. Every hipster scene is like that.

[mandarinsun.livejournal.com]

I can see how you can say that reading is like getting lost in ideas, but it mostly isn't. The difference between neing illiterate like some kids I work with is reading and then the difference between knowing one language and more than one is reading. People that know several or many languages have a lot more wisdom and intelligence than people that have only one language or barely know one language.

I can see what you are saying though. I was reading a lot going into university and then for a few years after and I think I got kind of lost in being too intellectual, but really when you get to a level where you are reading Nietzsche, postmodernism, psychoanalysis, marxist stuff, etc... people put pressure on you that you are wasting your time and being weird and that made me want to push on with that and I still want to go back and go into a heavy period of reading again.

Besides, I want to do it this time while I am also teaching, writing, learning Spanish,and teaching students writing and English learners English.

Also, I am really fascinated with the history of language and the history of how people started writing.

I think you'd benefit by reading more. It seems like you must have a difficult physical job and then play video games a lot and get angry about modern society and there is a lot to be angry about, but people that are outsiders need a lot of projects like reading and writing.

I agree that a lot of the intellectual books that some people read are bullshit, but a lot aren't. You just have to wade through the crap and find some that are better than others. Stuff that begins a new field is usually really potent and great like Nietzsche and Marx or Plato or Schopenhauer or Freud. So, those writers come and create and then dozens of writers later on write about them and those secondary writers mostly suck and write a lot of bullshit.

The same is true of novelists. Dickens, Tolstoy, Proust, Dostoevsky, etc are great and then dozens of people are influenced by them and they all pretty much suck.

[mandarinsun.livejournal.com]

None of the capitalistic trends you hate are going to improve at all, so you probably need a survival strategy.

[mandarinsun.livejournal.com]

If you knew Farsi or whatever Islamic language they speak and end up not liking working with them, you'd be in position to monitor their potential radicalized activities online or whatever because you know their language.