Thanks for the shared information about the rather sexist decree about letting women lead worship in any formal sense. I find that the majority of pop-cult-like religious beliefs I personally encounter through people trying to say what others can and cannot do are all without direct relevance. An educated person of the same faith can usually explain where they were wrong. It's more likely that people are taking what they want to believe (the reasons they want to believe it not expounded on), using a twist on a minor reference from their religious text and putting the two together into an argument for which they can justify vilifying disagreement. I'm not positive on its commonality in full context of how people work their beliefs, but I've seen it occur in a fair number of cases.
And yeah, abortion was rather unavailable for quite a long stretch of humans' existence. A lot of our knowledge was rather unavailable throughout most of humans' existence. It rather complicates religious beliefs.
Abortion definitely would have gotten in the way of invaders spreading their genes into conquered/invaded territory. It's ironic how horribly brutal these invaders were when my understanding of the religions predominantly worshiped in those circumstances were all ones that held peace and care for other people as pedestals to strive for. I have trouble blaming the religions, and not the people who said they held to them.
I'd say it's both. People make out of religions (and political ideologies!) whatever they want, whatever suits their purpose and their intentions, but on the other side, lots of the old religions were martial from the start in their core points. One should see it that way: It's not about God in the substance - God was the thing they named to reason their culture, the way they lived their culture and the way they kept it with their culture, defense of spread or both. In those times, it was so. They didn't know or assume a better reasoning than doing it "in the name of God" because in those times this was the highest of noble reasons to do something.
Today their could do differently. But because they don't regard it as a cultural thing, because they also forgot it's nothing more than that, they keep doing the "it was said by a higher entity, so it is more right than human judgment"-stunt. And that leads to the troubles modern world has. It isn't regarded as that that even religion is a collection of customs and anti-customs against foreign invaders and over time they also may have added a few things into the religious understanding of this. (Because the progress in technology made it due, the progress in society and moral values, or because a relgious scholar thought to understand something differently to the official position of that religion.) Speaking: Religion these days - from those that are centuries old - assume their religion has always been like this like they know it to be like today. They totally turn a blind eye to that idea that the customs and the views of their religion once could have been differently than today or factually were. And with this mindset, they still base themselves upon "God wants it this way", undergirding themselves with such absoluteness like "what we say can only be true".
I read through that, I'm glad it sounds like it comes from personal experience; that tends to make it easier for me to thoroughly understand. On it all, it kind-of just translates out to:
People worship themselves. This, not uncommonly, creates their opinions and decisions.
In explanation on people who worship themselves: They can be ignorant and commonly enough use God as an argument for opinions/decisions being undeniable and something you should also worship, in order to appeal to their worship of themselves creating a demand for other people to never challenge them (therein making them insecure about their self-worship).
It sure speaks for itself how much of a high opinion I have about all of this. I'm pretty much the evil guy that says to you "God just starts in your head and ends in your head".
Haha, maybe that's a message that a lot of people need to hear, no?
I'm the heretic that expresses detailed messages on how God obviously isn't perfect in his love, and humanity in all of its flaws isn't a project he takes very seriously. All of the commentary is justifiable, but most people don't truly understand human nature so the arguments tend to be lost on them.
Sometimes people will tell you how much they hear Karl Marx speaking from your mouth... And you know, he was and "evil communist", the founder of that ideology which tried to bring education to the poor and take power away from the wealthy and rich and make their wealth serve the normal public.
Well, at least to me it's what I've found. It doesn't need to be a God from one of the recognized world religions - it can be somebody or something else you worship like a God. In the end there happens the same. You project something onto this God which actually lives in you.
Human ability for perceiving something is very manipulable. Either by talking yourself into believing something, or other people doing the same to you, and by consuming substances which influence your senses that make you perceive the world. Saying - if there are pills causing you to see pink elephants or other illogical stuff that doesn't exist in reality, so what then about the lots of apparitions that people want to have seen, if I know that is possible to tickle it out of human mind? Nothing with the non-ability of it to ever be wrong.
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Date: 31 May 2016 06:52 am (UTC)And yeah, abortion was rather unavailable for quite a long stretch of humans' existence. A lot of our knowledge was rather unavailable throughout most of humans' existence. It rather complicates religious beliefs.
Abortion definitely would have gotten in the way of invaders spreading their genes into conquered/invaded territory. It's ironic how horribly brutal these invaders were when my understanding of the religions predominantly worshiped in those circumstances were all ones that held peace and care for other people as pedestals to strive for. I have trouble blaming the religions, and not the people who said they held to them.
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Date: 31 May 2016 08:45 am (UTC)People make out of religions (and political ideologies!) whatever they want, whatever suits their purpose and their intentions, but on the other side, lots of the old religions were martial from the start in their core points.
One should see it that way: It's not about God in the substance - God was the thing they named to reason their culture, the way they lived their culture and the way they kept it with their culture, defense of spread or both.
In those times, it was so. They didn't know or assume a better reasoning than doing it "in the name of God" because in those times this was the highest of noble reasons to do something.
Today their could do differently.
But because they don't regard it as a cultural thing, because they also forgot it's nothing more than that, they keep doing the "it was said by a higher entity, so it is more right than human judgment"-stunt. And that leads to the troubles modern world has.
It isn't regarded as that that even religion is a collection of customs and anti-customs against foreign invaders and over time they also may have added a few things into the religious understanding of this. (Because the progress in technology made it due, the progress in society and moral values, or because a relgious scholar thought to understand something differently to the official position of that religion.)
Speaking: Religion these days - from those that are centuries old - assume their religion has always been like this like they know it to be like today. They totally turn a blind eye to that idea that the customs and the views of their religion once could have been differently than today or factually were.
And with this mindset, they still base themselves upon "God wants it this way", undergirding themselves with such absoluteness like "what we say can only be true".
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Date: 1 June 2016 07:32 am (UTC)People worship themselves. This, not uncommonly, creates their opinions and decisions.
In explanation on people who worship themselves:
They can be ignorant and commonly enough use God as an argument for opinions/decisions being undeniable and something you should also worship, in order to appeal to their worship of themselves creating a demand for other people to never challenge them (therein making them insecure about their self-worship).
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Date: 1 June 2016 07:54 am (UTC)I'm pretty much the evil guy that says to you "God just starts in your head and ends in your head".
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Date: 1 June 2016 11:43 pm (UTC)I'm the heretic that expresses detailed messages on how God obviously isn't perfect in his love, and humanity in all of its flaws isn't a project he takes very seriously.
All of the commentary is justifiable, but most people don't truly understand human nature so the arguments tend to be lost on them.
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Date: 2 June 2016 12:06 am (UTC)Well, at least to me it's what I've found.
It doesn't need to be a God from one of the recognized world religions - it can be somebody or something else you worship like a God. In the end there happens the same. You project something onto this God which actually lives in you.
Human ability for perceiving something is very manipulable.
Either by talking yourself into believing something, or other people doing the same to you, and by consuming substances which influence your senses that make you perceive the world.
Saying - if there are pills causing you to see pink elephants or other illogical stuff that doesn't exist in reality, so what then about the lots of apparitions that people want to have seen, if I know that is possible to tickle it out of human mind?
Nothing with the non-ability of it to ever be wrong.