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matrixmannDo information campaigns really fulfill their purpose?
Isn't it more important what people do from day to day - what their mindset is that determines their acting everyday?
And do these campaigns have any influence at all on how people think about a certain matter, about a certain group of people?
Did any campaign, for example, ever change any peoples' thinking towards gays? Or make it clear to them "you know, that's like somebody glued tits on your chest, made you be able to get babies, put you in a woman's dress and told you 'from this day on, you live as Maria for all days'"?
Did anything ever convince anyone "this is a story that can happen next door to me, so I better be no asshole 'cause I still need to live in one and the same apartment building with my neighbors"?
Isn't it more important what people do from day to day - what their mindset is that determines their acting everyday?
And do these campaigns have any influence at all on how people think about a certain matter, about a certain group of people?
Did any campaign, for example, ever change any peoples' thinking towards gays? Or make it clear to them "you know, that's like somebody glued tits on your chest, made you be able to get babies, put you in a woman's dress and told you 'from this day on, you live as Maria for all days'"?
Did anything ever convince anyone "this is a story that can happen next door to me, so I better be no asshole 'cause I still need to live in one and the same apartment building with my neighbors"?
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Date: 22 June 2016 08:26 pm (UTC)Maybe it was because women wanted to be more friendly with some men and gay men can be very funny and very friendly and love shopping and clothing like women do. So, women started liking gay men more and more.
Some of it had to do with work and how work changed. In the 1970s and before, to make a living it helped a lot to be very masculine and a lot of men worked with say cars and in factories, but since then a lot of high paying jobs are in customer service and in offices with computers. Gay men could compete much better and therefore were less like outsiders that lurk around and seem weird and strange.
Gay men could also no longer be beaten up because men that do that are guilty now of hate crimes and are given ten years or more in jail. That happened because of civil rights movements and how people suddenly couldn't do that to blacks. Before the civil rights movements, men could just go lynch and hang black men, or any outsiders, that didn't fit in.
It mostly has t do with fitting in to white culture. It is mostly a good thing, though I agree that there are sort of side effects to all this: you can't just turn society upside down and expect everyone to just go on peacefully as before.
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Date: 23 June 2016 06:37 am (UTC)In the second instance - being gay, gay culture (respectively), got turned into a brand. And people started to purchase from that brand because it was something new, may be because they were frustrated with their own lives and that gave them some ideas how living and living together with someone can also be structured. (See the fact that even gay couples these days want to form conventional families - which wasn't there as much in the 80s as the gays had their brawl with the police and marched towards Christopher Street.)
I assert it to be correct what comes in claims from the Russian side over "homosexual propaganda" - the rainbow flag and what gets asserted as "gay culture", what gets asserted that gays "think this way", "live this way", "dress this way", "find beautiful this way", these things are all a form of agitation because not all gays behave and think this way. Not even all gays orient themselves by this scene. They live regular lives and you don't hear or see them.
Best example to form is: How many heterosexual people are obsessed with their sexuality as much as it is common in (male) gay culture? Not that many, it's a small group. So why should nearly every gay man be obsessed with that? Does he have so much time in his life if he has a regular job? I don't think so.
But that seems to be a little core point that "gay culture" (this agitation) wants to represent to you. So what's the matter with it? It's nothing more than an agenda. Something that wants to make you believe. And things wanting to make you believe are never realistic.
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Date: 22 June 2016 08:33 pm (UTC)The problem I see though is that if someone tried to make a book of everything adults told children: putting it all together in the same place to be read, it would contradict itself all over the place. Mostly, the propaganda is be happy and don't bother other people. The thing I see wrong with it is that teenagers today are really competing with each other for fewer and fewer good jobs. At some point, they are going to be frustrated that they will have less and less and will be angry or depressed. The solution should have been that they needed to work much harder, but they are being passive far too long. Schools encourage passivity. Teachers and principals should be failing like half of every class because the typical work produced is garbage, but to do that you'd have extremely angry teenagers coming to school everyday and a lot of them would stop coming to school at all. The statistics are better if you give almost all of them good grades.
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Date: 23 June 2016 06:49 am (UTC)Maybe they get taught too to be the least burden to their parents and to their teachers - shortly experessed: Be a good boy / girl, obey the commands, follow the leader, don't be uncomfortable.
When they're done with it, meaning when they're grown up - what else should come out of that than something like child soldiers?
Child in the head still, trying to fit in to be no burden to someone, following the orders that been given, too stupid in their heads to create an idea how to fuck the system, how to live differently without ending in self-destruction. - Even the school shooters enqueue in the masses under that aspect, but today it seems not they even exist anymore (10 years ago, you could say they even had some kind of complex idea how society should be built and work in itself).
(no subject)
Date: 24 June 2016 05:30 pm (UTC)Еще остались те кто против ГЕЕВ?
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Date: 24 June 2016 06:08 pm (UTC)But partly I think the whole thing itself is responsible for it.
As long as you keep coming up with people which appear unrealistic to the most, people which behave extraordinarily and dress extraordinarily, and as long that is like "the dress code" on every gay pride, I don't think there will be much change in it.
It's the thing, all other people feel like this cannot happen next door to them. They live with the image in their heads "gays you recognize by their habits - because all of them behave different from you and they like to wear childish costumes", you see that represented the most in media coverage and in everything that says anything about "gay culture".
It's like a drop in the bucket then to start information campaigns with normal people that could live next door. Barely someone is going to believe it that gays can be the normal worker too.
The "gay culture" scene doesn't seem to be much of a helper to this too. Because on their parades and whenever figures from it try to do public relations work, they don't come around the corner as a normal person either. They rather come up as the typical figures dressed in some ridiculous costume which you can meet on these rallies.
So, which effect do information campaigns achieve then? Zero. Nothing.
Because the impression like "gays are childish people behaving strangely, wear ridiculous costumes and expect me to take them serious even though I can't by usual standards" is just what remains more omnipresent about that topic.
It then is no miracle that people feel disgusted by that.
With childish people you cannot run an industrialized economy. You're getting nowhere with them aboard.
(no subject)
Date: 24 June 2016 06:10 pm (UTC)а то реально складывается впечатление что Европа сходит с ума.
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Date: 24 June 2016 07:43 pm (UTC)I don't know how it became this way, but regarding the rainbow flag and what is linked to it independently of the circumstance of being gay itself, it seems to me like something one can get more happy with as a regular citizen.
You are gay or transgender, but you're no part of that circus. It's got nothing to do with both things as a subject, it's something that others try to sell you as "gay culture" and "the way gays are naturally".