Hm... Well, they stick with unrealistic dreams and hopes, with things they expect to come out of the blue and rain down on them and make everything suddenly better. Like a messiah. Creating some dreams and hopes and believing in making them true themselves, that's a point that gets more rarer than rare already is.
Religion is a difficult part to tell on as it's not the same everywhere - and as it's a matter of "which religion you ask about?" Within the Muslim communities, I don't see faith fading away. With the Catholic and the Lutheran church I'd say it's different. Numbers of members decrease each year, the Catcholic church I think especially for them covering up what their priests did and do to children (if you know what I mean). On the other hand, I don't see a very big decreasing in faith or being religious at all. People only leave the churches because they don't feel they represent their real life anymore, so they stick with being religious in their own way, but not in the way the churches preach it. I don't think that's a very good circumstance - as people which rely on a God and dream of "one day, it will be different" ( = different out of the blue), they tend to remain in apathy and passivity. They tend to give up and take the world as "we're absolutely powerless, we can't do anything, so let's not think about this or that". Think I even had a very suitable song for that, it's called "Godd" by Marco V.
If you ask me about how much power religion has within the state, I'd tell you it has remarkably a lot. You see that on the difficulties wanting to make a step towards limiting what Islamic religion (or whatever is sold as that) is allowed to do here or other religions or on that circumstance that you can't get it out of the CDU party to finally call their "eingetragene Lebenspartnerschaft" for homosexual couples "civil union" too even though several smaller courts declared the legal differences betweeen regular marriage and this all for unlawful and they got the same rights as man-woman married couples. That has always been a religious question and still is a religious question for why they don't want to include it.
And - maybe to say it in the best short words: I think religion is very easily accessible. It is very easy to come to believe in some kind of bullshit, in magic creatures and angels, rather than you get urged to believe in nothing and tell "God? Who is God? Can you eat this?!". In the East it may be better to live as an atheist as there still come the old habits into effect, faith wasn't very dearly seen in the GDR, even though they let believers have their way with days off for religious holidays and such. But quite a lot of people also abused that for getting some extra free time compared to those with no belief. I don't know how to explain; the state kept an eye on church not trying to make politics - which would very probably resulted in them trying to claim politics in the West and therefore bring the whole communist project of a state and society into danger. (It later worked very well for Poland with making a Polish man become the pope of the Catholic church, just mentioning.) Just to say: This something that one has to thank you Russians for. I think that came here in that extent just because Stalin conquered half of Europe. The Americans on the other side of the Brocken mountain didn't take away God out of peoples' heads in West Germany (as America is itself a pretty theorcratic state).
Yes, I think the religion in general getting more popular due to the reasons you have mentioned. In Russia now it is very popular because it is imposed on people and it makes them think it will give them good luck now and eternal life later. And as education system is getting worse people are getting dumber and believe all that garbage that people believed in middle ages. Ironically they claim they pulled people in GDR from middles ages meanwhile Christianity that is still so widely popular is something that belongs to middle ages. And middle ages are called Dark ages for a reason.
Pulled from the Middle Ages? Thanks to my own knowledge I know atheism was a matter that came with Stalin. Stalin itself was raised as you could be raised at the time he grew up - which included religion -, but he himself seems like he became not that much of a practicer in his later life. So he lead war and spread communism throughout Europe.
I even observe that from far away that the Orthodox church in your country has gotten a hell lot of a boost in support over - say, the last 15 years. I don't know, in that Russians are a little strange. You can also live and be proud of your culture without all that. But, I also think it's a kind of playing counter-culture towards the European culture which turns into a kindergarten and which celebrates itself for some openness that is on the threshold of threatening normal life. You know, I had some text here using the term "gayropa" in its headline and I even shared my doubts about what the fuck Europe is doing in that department, in celebrating their gay prides where people run around dressed like and acting like not even a child could take them seriously as adults and where they make figures like Conchita Wurst winner of the Eurovision Song Contest only to make Eastern Europe shout in disgust. In that way, I even agree with the Russian side which pledges for finding its own way with that as the kind that America found is dependent on different circumstances that created it. In Europe it should be that way too, American culture has also spread in that way over Europe and I don't think it's doing it good. But, on the other hand, I can't understand people which can drive a tank suddenly then can voice such views like all people in the West turn into cowards just because they get surrounded with gay propaganda all over the day. Like: How can you get upon that thought of throwing both things into a coherence? And that from grown up men, grown up men and maybe even women, which are as intelligent to do things it really needs brains for. - And then in connection with that voicing of religious phrases. Let's say, in the eye of the battlefield I don't break anyone's God, it's everyone's own matter how he motivates himself to get out alive or to find his peace if he doesn't, but I can't - for the hell of it - take it if somebody makes his religious beliefs again a base for how other people should live like and how the look at, up or down on them. Faggots fight with the gun too once they get over the rainbow flag and understand "either you fight or you gonna get killed".
About gays, my theory it is done by propaganda again to divide and conquer. You see if you concentrate on gays and non-gays, immigrants and locals, religious people and atheists people will fight against each other on these grounds rather than seeing the problem of many things in society is capitalism. For example, if there is unemployment they will blame immigrants, if there is low morals- blame gays etc. And gays are really like a couple percent of population, usually, I think.
These days, as things go more and more bizarre, I don't vouch for anything and get to the same thing. The best advise I can give to any gay person is "forget about the rainbow flag - what's attached to it, is an agenda; this has nothing to do with being gay". Maybe sometime I can put it into good words.
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Date: 31 July 2016 04:04 pm (UTC)Religion is a difficult part to tell on as it's not the same everywhere - and as it's a matter of "which religion you ask about?"
Within the Muslim communities, I don't see faith fading away.
With the Catholic and the Lutheran church I'd say it's different.
Numbers of members decrease each year, the Catcholic church I think especially for them covering up what their priests did and do to children (if you know what I mean).
On the other hand, I don't see a very big decreasing in faith or being religious at all. People only leave the churches because they don't feel they represent their real life anymore, so they stick with being religious in their own way, but not in the way the churches preach it.
I don't think that's a very good circumstance - as people which rely on a God and dream of "one day, it will be different" ( = different out of the blue), they tend to remain in apathy and passivity. They tend to give up and take the world as "we're absolutely powerless, we can't do anything, so let's not think about this or that".
Think I even had a very suitable song for that, it's called "Godd" by Marco V.
If you ask me about how much power religion has within the state, I'd tell you it has remarkably a lot. You see that on the difficulties wanting to make a step towards limiting what Islamic religion (or whatever is sold as that) is allowed to do here or other religions or on that circumstance that you can't get it out of the CDU party to finally call their "eingetragene Lebenspartnerschaft" for homosexual couples "civil union" too even though several smaller courts declared the legal differences betweeen regular marriage and this all for unlawful and they got the same rights as man-woman married couples.
That has always been a religious question and still is a religious question for why they don't want to include it.
And - maybe to say it in the best short words: I think religion is very easily accessible. It is very easy to come to believe in some kind of bullshit, in magic creatures and angels, rather than you get urged to believe in nothing and tell "God? Who is God? Can you eat this?!".
In the East it may be better to live as an atheist as there still come the old habits into effect, faith wasn't very dearly seen in the GDR, even though they let believers have their way with days off for religious holidays and such. But quite a lot of people also abused that for getting some extra free time compared to those with no belief.
I don't know how to explain; the state kept an eye on church not trying to make politics - which would very probably resulted in them trying to claim politics in the West and therefore bring the whole communist project of a state and society into danger. (It later worked very well for Poland with making a Polish man become the pope of the Catholic church, just mentioning.)
Just to say: This something that one has to thank you Russians for. I think that came here in that extent just because Stalin conquered half of Europe.
The Americans on the other side of the Brocken mountain didn't take away God out of peoples' heads in West Germany (as America is itself a pretty theorcratic state).
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Date: 31 July 2016 04:52 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 31 July 2016 06:16 pm (UTC)I even observe that from far away that the Orthodox church in your country has gotten a hell lot of a boost in support over - say, the last 15 years. I don't know, in that Russians are a little strange. You can also live and be proud of your culture without all that.
But, I also think it's a kind of playing counter-culture towards the European culture which turns into a kindergarten and which celebrates itself for some openness that is on the threshold of threatening normal life.
You know, I had some text here using the term "gayropa" in its headline and I even shared my doubts about what the fuck Europe is doing in that department, in celebrating their gay prides where people run around dressed like and acting like not even a child could take them seriously as adults and where they make figures like Conchita Wurst winner of the Eurovision Song Contest only to make Eastern Europe shout in disgust.
In that way, I even agree with the Russian side which pledges for finding its own way with that as the kind that America found is dependent on different circumstances that created it. In Europe it should be that way too, American culture has also spread in that way over Europe and I don't think it's doing it good.
But, on the other hand, I can't understand people which can drive a tank suddenly then can voice such views like all people in the West turn into cowards just because they get surrounded with gay propaganda all over the day. Like: How can you get upon that thought of throwing both things into a coherence? And that from grown up men, grown up men and maybe even women, which are as intelligent to do things it really needs brains for. - And then in connection with that voicing of religious phrases.
Let's say, in the eye of the battlefield I don't break anyone's God, it's everyone's own matter how he motivates himself to get out alive or to find his peace if he doesn't, but I can't - for the hell of it - take it if somebody makes his religious beliefs again a base for how other people should live like and how the look at, up or down on them. Faggots fight with the gun too once they get over the rainbow flag and understand "either you fight or you gonna get killed".
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Date: 31 July 2016 07:44 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 31 July 2016 08:12 pm (UTC)The best advise I can give to any gay person is "forget about the rainbow flag - what's attached to it, is an agenda; this has nothing to do with being gay". Maybe sometime I can put it into good words.