This is an interesting topic. Shows that we are not far from Middle Ages if burning people for whatever reason is acceptable. I think very young generation do not understand how severe it is. To them it is like some sort of distant special effect movie. But in reality it wasn't that long ago and may happen again.
It might sound a little evil, but even to me it's hard to grasp and I can't seem to make it. I know what war is like and what you can imagine under that term, but doing a fight that firmly aims for extermination, this is something different. Simple war lets humans become killers, maybe even lets some become monsters, for human terms, which find pleasure in torturing and killing other people. But still it's only some and they do this on their own behalf. If they get caught, maybe they face severe punishment. That's all not the case if you aim to exterminate something. Exterminating something... is finding pleasure in being the most sneaky, inpredictable and cruel asshole in the world. And this isn't only valid for a minority; it's a mindset that all fighters are allowed to develop on the battlefield. It's... being cruel and there's nobody to punish you for it. You got the absolute freedom of doing with other humans whatever you like.
And this is something where it reaches its limits a little when it comes to human cruelty. Because even I don't know humans as cruel as this. I have no imaginative power to imagine people that, for example, herd other people together in a single building, barricading the doors and windows and then set it on fire, knowing, and cheering about it, that people burn inside. People which they don't know! I can imagine being as angry and hating to want to do this with people that have done damage to you in life, but I can't imagine what makes people do this to other humans which they don't know personally, which they have no connection with. I also can't imagine people that don't distinguish in between, that treat even babies and children the same way like adults. Same with elderly which can't fight back very much anymore. I have no imaginative power in me to envision this.
And then, imagine this with those death camps like Ausschwitz which had no higher meaning anymore than just putting people in the oven and then that was it. The railroad station of the camp was as big as some of the better freight depots even these days, I've heard and read it. People arrived there daily, in the same manner like a well-used freight depots. And all these were just there to be killed! No working to death, no "you have the chance of surviving this if you're strong enough", no. It was all just in the first place that the people arrived there to be killed and thrown away. And they all got kept on that leash "you got no chance to win".
I have no imagination for this - it's not like special effects to me, it's simply I notice I can't imagine it. This is a world in mind that is beyond me.
Well, I can't either. I was talking in the sense that most very young people I happen to mention this topic are not even horrified, they seem to be indifferent. Once I watched a movie "Boy in a striped pajamas" and the younger audience was sort of having fun about something. Probably not the content but were bored and didn't care.
I get what you mean. They can't literally grasp that this once had been past and, by that, reality to some people - people like them. But remember what I told you: This is what automatically comes from having no natural predators around; humans tend to start to think this is the natural state of things. So, telling them about anything else is as far away from them as the moon from the earth. It's totally unaware to them that they live in the unnatual state of things. So that makes how it comes that they act totally unaffected by it. It's like talking to a frog about flying.
It's fairly frightening that they don't listen, but who will blame them? They're embedded in a society that tells them snobbishly "this is all long past, we, the perfect society, don't behave like this anymore" all around the clock all the time.
Kind of remembers me now to the movie "Die neunte Kompanie" (Original title: "9 rota"). At the beginning, it starts a little like a Russian version of Full Metal Jacket, with the conscripts being flippant and fooling around. They totally are not very serious about what is going to await them in Afghanistan. And then, in Afghanistan, actually around every corner, there may be a boom that can mean your end. In the end, this also becomes clear. It becomes visible it's the pure brutal truth. Like one of the higher soldiers says in a night where something goes wrong according to the plan: "Hier gibt es keine schlechten Noten. Hier draußen gibt es nur den Tod!". And, in the end, it's not many of them soldiers the conscripts get to know that return, including not many of themselves return home as the Red Army leaves the country.
It actually shows that pretty well how that is talking to young people about that topic which literally had no deep-meaning life-conflicts before. They literally can't grasp it. And in the end, even the artist guy in that movie that seems a little more intelligent among all of the conscripts, he gets to careless in a moment and that means his death.
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Date: 27 January 2017 06:04 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 27 January 2017 11:46 pm (UTC)Simple war lets humans become killers, maybe even lets some become monsters, for human terms, which find pleasure in torturing and killing other people. But still it's only some and they do this on their own behalf. If they get caught, maybe they face severe punishment.
That's all not the case if you aim to exterminate something. Exterminating something... is finding pleasure in being the most sneaky, inpredictable and cruel asshole in the world. And this isn't only valid for a minority; it's a mindset that all fighters are allowed to develop on the battlefield. It's... being cruel and there's nobody to punish you for it. You got the absolute freedom of doing with other humans whatever you like.
And this is something where it reaches its limits a little when it comes to human cruelty. Because even I don't know humans as cruel as this. I have no imaginative power to imagine people that, for example, herd other people together in a single building, barricading the doors and windows and then set it on fire, knowing, and cheering about it, that people burn inside. People which they don't know!
I can imagine being as angry and hating to want to do this with people that have done damage to you in life, but I can't imagine what makes people do this to other humans which they don't know personally, which they have no connection with. I also can't imagine people that don't distinguish in between, that treat even babies and children the same way like adults. Same with elderly which can't fight back very much anymore.
I have no imaginative power in me to envision this.
And then, imagine this with those death camps like Ausschwitz which had no higher meaning anymore than just putting people in the oven and then that was it.
The railroad station of the camp was as big as some of the better freight depots even these days, I've heard and read it. People arrived there daily, in the same manner like a well-used freight depots.
And all these were just there to be killed! No working to death, no "you have the chance of surviving this if you're strong enough", no. It was all just in the first place that the people arrived there to be killed and thrown away. And they all got kept on that leash "you got no chance to win".
I have no imagination for this - it's not like special effects to me, it's simply I notice I can't imagine it. This is a world in mind that is beyond me.
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Date: 28 January 2017 03:21 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 28 January 2017 04:04 pm (UTC)But remember what I told you: This is what automatically comes from having no natural predators around; humans tend to start to think this is the natural state of things. So, telling them about anything else is as far away from them as the moon from the earth. It's totally unaware to them that they live in the unnatual state of things.
So that makes how it comes that they act totally unaffected by it.
It's like talking to a frog about flying.
It's fairly frightening that they don't listen, but who will blame them? They're embedded in a society that tells them snobbishly "this is all long past, we, the perfect society, don't behave like this anymore" all around the clock all the time.
Kind of remembers me now to the movie "Die neunte Kompanie" (Original title: "9 rota").
At the beginning, it starts a little like a Russian version of Full Metal Jacket, with the conscripts being flippant and fooling around. They totally are not very serious about what is going to await them in Afghanistan.
And then, in Afghanistan, actually around every corner, there may be a boom that can mean your end. In the end, this also becomes clear. It becomes visible it's the pure brutal truth.
Like one of the higher soldiers says in a night where something goes wrong according to the plan: "Hier gibt es keine schlechten Noten. Hier draußen gibt es nur den Tod!".
And, in the end, it's not many of them soldiers the conscripts get to know that return, including not many of themselves return home as the Red Army leaves the country.
It actually shows that pretty well how that is talking to young people about that topic which literally had no deep-meaning life-conflicts before. They literally can't grasp it.
And in the end, even the artist guy in that movie that seems a little more intelligent among all of the conscripts, he gets to careless in a moment and that means his death.
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Date: 28 January 2017 04:15 pm (UTC)