If talking about the Western world, I have my guessing where they take it from: They import it from the rest of the world (just some more than usually). Already is the case with potatoes this year. The harvest last year supposedly wasn't so good because of the months-long dryness and heat from about April until long into autumn (even Winter was pretty dry) - but, don't think the shelves have been any emptier than usually. So that means: If they're not from here, they just come from somewhere else... Of course, prices will rise along with that because of actual "lack" on the market, but the practical side of things will be a totally different reality. Them taking a lot of payment, but spending the same money as usual on letting lesser developed countries with a bad currency do the job for them...
I guess, if this goes on as it is, and the developed world only takes from the third and second world counties what they don't have, without changing anything about their basic concept, it will only mean "more people wanting to go to Europe on a nutshell in the Mediterranean". If you just take the food from other areas, but there's lesser on the market in the reality, people will quit because of starving and try to go to those areas they can have a base to live... (And that is where the food goes via the export/import route.)
"If you just take the food from other areas, but there's lesser on the market in the reality, people will quit because of starving and try to go to those areas they can have a base to live..."
I don't know, I've never thpught about this issue from such perspective. I always thought that nowadays agricultural countries are fighting for markets. For example, after EU sanctions ahainst Russia we banned EU agricultural production and we have negotiated with Turkey to buy their products, which was supposed mutually beneficial but after everything has gone to its end we had an accident with our plane and all has gone where it was. Now our agricultural producers which had taken credits are asking not to open our market again when our relationship is better... Belarus is always on our central TV with some threats to throw it away from our market, Belarus export to Russia many agriculture products, milk, vegetables, alcohol... So, I do think for some poor African country to sell anything is much better than to do nothing at all, even if some foreign company will be growing products at their territory because if their citizens decided to throw away the foreigners at a moment some terrorists will appear from nowhere and start a civil war to get the things back... just a business nothing personal so to say. ;)
As far as I can grasp it, even now there are already problems for food items in terms of "what the big brands pay the producers in the second/third world for their wares" and what the products cost in the first world. Biggest example, I guess, is coffee. In the shelves here, they aren't seriously cheap, but within the countries who produce the coffee, the big firms from here try to get the price they pay lower and lower, so that, for example, an African peasant already must calculate if his business still is worth the effort.
Similar thing I have in mind when the home-grown foods start to get really scarce. With currencies like Euro and Dollar (whose value the West keeps artififically high through its own world-decisive bankining system that it controls itself), they buy the African and South-American markets empty, buy all the agricultural products the West needs for its market, or let it be grown there, and for the Africans there are neither products to eat nor space and land left to grow their food. Additionally that they have to struggle with changing climate and effects of long-time exploited earth too...
You can see that here that they don't seem to give much a fuck about their home-grown food production. Last year, there were many peasants which had incredible amounts of financial damage because the dryness killed a lot of what they planted, and already there they weren't generous with financial aid, so that the peasants don't close their businesses down in financial ruin. They tried to keep that help locked behind a lot of bureaucracy and offered just a relatively short time episode to actually apply for it. This year, I don't think it'll be any different in practice. But - compared to last year -, this one already starts with the damages left from 2018 (including emptier water depots in the earth). So that'll mean even more damage. They didn't have a real strategy last year, so why should they have it for this one? Agriculture gets regarded like something expendable here anyway because it doesn't generate as much money as heavy industries...
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Date: 25 July 2019 01:29 pm (UTC)Already is the case with potatoes this year.
The harvest last year supposedly wasn't so good because of the months-long dryness and heat from about April until long into autumn (even Winter was pretty dry) - but, don't think the shelves have been any emptier than usually.
So that means: If they're not from here, they just come from somewhere else...
Of course, prices will rise along with that because of actual "lack" on the market, but the practical side of things will be a totally different reality. Them taking a lot of payment, but spending the same money as usual on letting lesser developed countries with a bad currency do the job for them...
I guess, if this goes on as it is, and the developed world only takes from the third and second world counties what they don't have, without changing anything about their basic concept, it will only mean "more people wanting to go to Europe on a nutshell in the Mediterranean".
If you just take the food from other areas, but there's lesser on the market in the reality, people will quit because of starving and try to go to those areas they can have a base to live... (And that is where the food goes via the export/import route.)
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Date: 25 July 2019 05:02 pm (UTC)I don't know, I've never thpught about this issue from such perspective. I always thought that nowadays agricultural countries are fighting for markets. For example, after EU sanctions ahainst Russia we banned EU agricultural production and we have negotiated with Turkey to buy their products, which was supposed mutually beneficial but after everything has gone to its end we had an accident with our plane and all has gone where it was. Now our agricultural producers which had taken credits are asking not to open our market again when our relationship is better... Belarus is always on our central TV with some threats to throw it away from our market, Belarus export to Russia many agriculture products, milk, vegetables, alcohol...
So, I do think for some poor African country to sell anything is much better than to do nothing at all, even if some foreign company will be growing products at their territory because if their citizens decided to throw away the foreigners at a moment some terrorists will appear from nowhere and start a civil war to get the things back... just a business nothing personal so to say. ;)
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Date: 25 July 2019 05:53 pm (UTC)Biggest example, I guess, is coffee.
In the shelves here, they aren't seriously cheap, but within the countries who produce the coffee, the big firms from here try to get the price they pay lower and lower, so that, for example, an African peasant already must calculate if his business still is worth the effort.
Similar thing I have in mind when the home-grown foods start to get really scarce. With currencies like Euro and Dollar (whose value the West keeps artififically high through its own world-decisive bankining system that it controls itself), they buy the African and South-American markets empty, buy all the agricultural products the West needs for its market, or let it be grown there, and for the Africans there are neither products to eat nor space and land left to grow their food.
Additionally that they have to struggle with changing climate and effects of long-time exploited earth too...
You can see that here that they don't seem to give much a fuck about their home-grown food production.
Last year, there were many peasants which had incredible amounts of financial damage because the dryness killed a lot of what they planted, and already there they weren't generous with financial aid, so that the peasants don't close their businesses down in financial ruin. They tried to keep that help locked behind a lot of bureaucracy and offered just a relatively short time episode to actually apply for it.
This year, I don't think it'll be any different in practice.
But - compared to last year -, this one already starts with the damages left from 2018 (including emptier water depots in the earth). So that'll mean even more damage.
They didn't have a real strategy last year, so why should they have it for this one?
Agriculture gets regarded like something expendable here anyway because it doesn't generate as much money as heavy industries...