More than belief

[matrixmann]

What most people that advertise religious tolerance tend to forget: All organized religions that existed and still exist in the world history of human civilization have a political arm, a political division that works towards realizing the political goals of this religion, and making the rules and commandments of this religion secular law that is subject to the judgment of everyone's everyday life before court.

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[onb2017.livejournal.com]

That's true. Because religion is sort of politics, helps keeping people damn, uneducated and delusional plus teaches not to resist, cause it's god's will.

[matrixmann]

Religion has a habit of never sticking to only its own business. Especially, if you let it run free without any watch.
And, this process isn't even bound to organizational structures. Like for Islam, believers come there by themselves and claim for prayer rooms in schools and their daughters being freed from swimming lessons. It's no regional secular organizational part of that religion that claims for it.
With the different forms of the Christian belief it's been the same in the past (althout the part of the organized structure of church had stronger influence in this). E. g. no marriage could take place without them, and christening once was such an important thing in society, you literally were damned if you hadn't been done so even in that life that you can see.
It was only until Bismarck came to influence that this influence of Christian churches was broken because of measures he introduced to limit it (because he held the position that, in a state, the state must be first to rule what happens in it or not, and not an external third power like the church that can't be controlled and works by its own set of rules).
This was like the first time ever that the political part of belief actively was being put on a leash, and it succeeded in the long term. (Registry offices still exist today and they are as important as Bismarck had wanted it.)
Today you can live free from the rules of the church, at least if you aim at it, you can make your living without needing its blessing or its social services.
Think about it if it was different.
That's why it's so dangerous to talk it down and put so much emphasis on religious belief, no matter what belief it is.
This achievement actually is the base for everyone's living who doesn't behave according to the rules of the different religions. Be it people having sex outside of marriage, be it people being gay, be it people just drinking alcohol and smoking a cigarette, or even only going to the discothèque on the weekend.
All this "open" lifestyle is only possible because church doesn't have as much influence anymore as they used to. If they still could do as they wanted, they'd make all these things outlawed again and punish you heavily for it. Just as radical Islam does it these days.
That's why it's no such trivial deal and only a matter of "oh, gosh, let people believe whatever they want to believe in!". It's not only a personal matter.
Which shape it can assume you can see on that gynecologist recently which said he wanted to do no abortions anymore.

[onb2017.livejournal.com]

Oh, religious people will never let you be. They need to convert you. Apart from politics, I was always amazed how some religious dudes try to get you into believing. I am usually like, what is you business if I believe in god or not just leave me alone but no, they go into all kind of length to convert you. Like as if they get a prize if they bring many others with them to heaven.

[matrixmann]

That's why I pinned that down. One has the impression like people, in between all their talking about "religious tolerance", they forget how this business actually works.
Or maybe they never experienced it when faithful believers weren't as tolerant to their position in life, so that they understand it by example.
If you encounter people that put very much into this thing, some kind it's like you say. But trying to convert you needn't always look like it on the surface, doesn't even need to be someone's voluntary intention, it just results in that because someone holds so much onto it as a guideline and as a purpose in life.
Saying, it's more that somebody mentions it or picks explanations for the world circumstances constantly out of that frame what his belief is like. Like "God wants all this" or "God will all make sure to protect us all, even the ones that don't firmly believe in him", or "we're all fallen angels and we need to hug and be nice to each other to clean or karma from what made us worthy to fall from the sky".
You can't get past it when talking to this person. He's so caught up in it, he forgets that his God, even if it materially, exists, gave him intelligence and own will just to use it and make decisions himself, not to be stuck on him like a baby forever and for always.
Let's say, attitudes like this always speak very many words about someone's inside in psychological aspects. That's what I get to when I hear this somehow self-pity-like sounding talking. Can't help it, it sounds like it to me...
When I relief myself of all responsibility over my life to make me feel better, what must have happened to me or how cognitively low-gifted must I be? Or, how many bad decisions must I have done in life that I've got the feeling all I do is rubbish?
To me, it seems like a kind of measure to flee from one's responsibility. To not atone for one's sins in life and live with it. Live with it like an adult.