Worlds apart, united in anthropocentrism (together the ruin of the earth)

[matrixmann]

You know what’s going to be the biggest factor getting in the way of soothing the extent that climate change will have on this blue sphere here?
The international community outside of the Western countries gives a fuck about so-called “green technologies”. They care more about their own development, which had been kept down for centuries by the plundering of the dominant European and North American countries. And that means, cheap energy accessible to the biggest mass of people and local industries carries more importance than making it as exclusive as it can get through applying complex and expensive technologies in the chain, which the bigger parts of the population in the first world countries are able to afford (in whatever way possible to individuals).
The mindset of the Western world and what they think of as “problems” is so far away from those of the rest of the world - literally elevated thousands of kilometers above the ground, figuratively.

So are many other issues such as that of a cultural nature, for example.
The rest of the world literally doesn’t care about the gender-fantasies of twenty-somethings in the US or Europe and their dreams of deconstructing the biological base of the two sexes. Or about rainbow flags, pride months and loudly celebrating LGBT minority rights like they would be a cure against HIV and cancer altogether (rights which quite a chunk of areas in the world don’t have anyway).
There are way more urgent problems to them than such boredom- and living-in-security-driven ergotherapy of emphasizing things that revolve around the aspect of the anthropocentric worldview to overestimate the social ongoings between humans in a society.

To the rest of the world, the classic aspects of the mindset of the anthropocentric worldview are important: Where do humans get a space to live, a roof over their head, food and water for humans, jobs to earn money and chances to procreate - as well as chances to feed that offspring and raise it into an adult.

If you want to get the rest of the world into the same boat as the culturally loony Western part of the planet, then you first rather need to get them to abandon their part of the anthropocentric worldview, in which all natural resources of the planet exist just to serve and be consumed primarily by humans. - Including your own focus where human business and social interaction still also overshadows everything, beside you talking about “wanting to save the world” and “protecting the environment” (inconsequently).

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[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“These wishes of the big energy supply corporations were realized, now you only produce electric energy for yourself if you have solar panels, and they're as happy to still be the one who gets to cash in all of what people pay for electricity.”

Well what I can say about it… I don’t know, it is strange. As I understand the electricity market the small people never could be a competitor to big electricity holdings, so what to be afraid? It could be just a matter of electricity meter work. For example we have in Russia such option that you could buy a electricity meter or counter which has two regimes of work – day and night, at night the electricity is twice cheaper than at a day, something like that and some people are using it with warming water at a house at night and collecting electricity at accumulators to use it at a day…
But you know the electricity is so cheap at Russia thanks to USSR hard work to making all electrical stations and thanks to Putin he has come to power right in a moment to stop privatization of our electricity corporation… So, I do not bother much about electricity bills as I bother about the greed of our apartment house service and repair company bills, more threatening are only penalties bill on roads which have got out of any comprehension but they are so high to stop endless deaths on roads...

[matrixmann]

I think it was that this country here has the highest prices for electric energy in the whole EU, even in whole Europe.

The thing back then wasn't about becoming a competitor to them, it was about giving people a share of the cake for producing energy that everyone else is able to use in the end. As the energy not used by the small producers had to be taken into the electricity net by the big net owner.
So it was about a potentially growing revolution in the production of electric energy - that suddenly the big energy corporations maybe would soon have to face interest groups made of small people who told them what to do and even demanded a noticeale share of the money they cash in from the customers and (usually) keep entirely to themselves.
So to say: An interest group of many smaller producers of energy could have achieved the amount of electric power that a conventional power plant produced - and made it superfluous.
So that the big energy corporation didn't maintain a power plant and they could lead it in their most "cost-saving" (plundering) way anymore.

Ecologically this would have been a way to go - because, lots of solar panels on the roofs of peoples' houses and blocks with flats, which are floodlighted all over the day anyway, every conventional power plant they could replace in the long term, that didn't have be fueled with coal, gas or nuclear energy, this would have been a good thing!

But no, all of that wasn't supposed to be because big corporations didn't want to share their profits... and rather keep those old power plants that are dependent on fossil fuels.
Now everyone can count the cost of this policy.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

With all my respect I am certain you are making all more difficult than it is…
Just think simpler – take your electricity producing as Germany as EU as a whole on percentages – getting by fossil fuel, hydro, wind, sun. Take in account that the long term investments in making wind and solar stations are always the bank credits which are taking their part in a finish price. Take in account the Germany had stopped their coal industry and nearly all their nuclear industry and hence it is buying all fuel from Russia or from else somewhere… And you will get the electricity price you have… Soon, possible, all your electricity industry will be seized by banks because the electricity companies will be demanding more and more credits from banks with the citizens incapability to pay and with the short term working ability – (10 years or little more) of wind and sun electricity stations – in my modest opinion, green bullshit was from the beginning one big lie about the cheap wind - sun energy – one big lie which, for sure, had been a golden mine for banksters and a total disaster for common people… Of course, I am not an expert but I am certain that when you are taking money at a bank for a project which will be profitable after 10 years, if all will be working well, of course, when you will be getting wind, sun and will not have no disasters like fires, floods, you name it… you’d got a loop around your neck… But of course your politicians know better… maybe your German modern motto – to wash four places once a month and tell every time – Get Putin! is a big achievement and suckcess ?! Who knows!?

[matrixmann]

The nonsense they did here - officially abandoning coal and nuclear nuclear energy (which they now want to revive due to the lack of gas...) while buying the same shit just from other countries, so the dirt isn't visible anymore for the gullible minds - of course, this is nonsense. Just an act of whitewashing to make people believe in something which isn't true.

And - at the current rate of consumption, it's completely unrealistic to tell oneself that you can make do without fossil fuels. There's just not enough solar panels and not enough windmills you erect to cover all that, not even secure the expected increase in the coming years.
Even in the statistics it becomes visible that all the modern means to create electric energy didn't really replace any of the energy produced by conventional power plants, but they created additional energy to get used up.
So, in other words: Humans even use more electric energy than before because they have found a way to create some more of it without building a dirty power plant that poisons the air they breathe. If those technologies didn't exist, the actual problem - that humans consume too much resources of this planet - would become more visible to them. (Humans somehow harbor a strange way to think - if they can't see dirt with their human eyes, they don't believe dirt to be there.)

From a strategic point, I'd go with the concept that you draw here - use a combination of all of the available means to create electricity.
One thing is: Always keep something stable as a reserve in order to keep the system running. - That would just be fossil fuels; mankind still hasn't found anything different with the same effectivity. It is as it is...
Another factor is: Diversity in energy supply makes you less vulnerable if one mean fails. - This is already a reality if dealing with solar panels through the winter episode. They just don't produce the same amount of energy in that season... You have to compensate that.
Third: I always keep it in the back of my mind that there are areas in the world which have much different climatic conditions than central Europe. In cold areas, you even need the warmth from the fossil fuels or even your power plant freezes.
In much warmer areas, working with electricity a lot might also be complicated as it can tolerate heat only in a small window of conditions (or you need additional measures to cool everything down).
Then you also have areas plagued with floods, droughts, mountain areas... and all that kind of stuff.
Long story short: If wanting to supply yourself with electricity, you'll have to deal with which conditions nature confronts you with and what is the best practical choice regarding that. There is no other way.
And if wanting to make this project "ecologically sustainable living" become reality, you have to find solutions for all places on the earth and not just your personal tiny spot of country you're living in. Nature doesn't care about state borders.

But, a point important to me in all this is: Humans can't step away from their fossil fuels, they even need them to produce their more modern means of energy (solar panels, mills) - and how much a fucking lot that consumes... (Saying, the domestic factory here forged large parts, also the heads, for the electricity wind mills. I have an inner image of what fucking ton of energy that consumes in order to produce one of these things.).
Especially they can't do that with a world population near 8 billion people.

But, to soothen the climate change, they actually had to.
That's a matter of fact. Scientists, even in the West, warned about this since the 70s at least.
No-one wanted to listen to them, now you got the "harvest" of that.

If mankind can't change their high demand for energy and shift the means how to create it, then there need to be much, much fewer humans. Actually: Back to the one billion of humans at the beginning of the industrial age.
Because - this planet isn't the sole property of humans. Other lifeforms also have a right to exist. Other lifeforms even need to exist so that humans can take their share from nature to consume it. Or this share of the cake simply isn't going to exist.

I would wish for mankind to find a still peaceful way to do that reduction...

[matrixmann]

If you now ask "that's the kind of shit we've been critisizing about Western Greens, now you also start like - what's wrong with you?" - I'm simply aware of the fact that the earth could do most of its time without humans. Humans aren't the center of creation and of all life. They're just another animal species, nothing more. So their business is factually not more important than that of the rest of all creatures.
I'm against this long-standing tradition of the anthropocentric worldview - which I think is responsible for a lot of these environmental problems these days.