Migration

[matrixmann]

"Ich bin nicht gegen Flüchtlinge. Sie machen nur die Verhältnisse hier keinesfalls besser."

"I'm not against refugees. They only don't help making the already precarious circumstances over here any better."

Comments

[onb2017.livejournal.com]

I think it is something they have no control over, what people are left to do if there are wars in their countries led by imperialists? On the other hand, the imperialists bring attention to immigrants to make scapegoats out of them so people will blame the immigrants for collapse. Worked out pretty well for imperialists.

The same I think they are doing about blacks: kill unarmed people, bring attention to it and make them riot like animals and then blame them for economic problems.

[matrixmann]

I think you don't need such a complicated version to explain the chain. It's rather easier.

You know, I made that post for delivering an offering in opinion, to give - whoever reads it - a different way he may be able to identify with.
Lots of people are out there and just ride the train of the far right 'cause nobody else is there to gather their protest.
All just fucking paid people, I say, or dumb and hovering over reality.

All that takes place currently and because nobody in an important position tries to stop it, it happens for reason.
Well, maybe the riot is the goal, so people don't fight about anything else. They only fight about the straw to break the camel's neck. And this fight, due to many people being bought, will expectedly only bring one political power up to the peak of the hill. This kind of political power maybe works in somebody's intention, or in his favor.

Let's say, one thing you can consider as more or less a fact is - this welcoming culture is nothing that comes out of voluntariness. People are bought, people are threatened - and if you find some which, on the outside, seem to be willing for it voluntarily, these got the hell of a nothing as knowledge about world politics and global politics. These are emotionally driven, they don't notice how much media plays with the Kindchenschema on them (note: the translation of the word that the dictionary gives out, I don't find it very deep in the impact). Sometimes, maybe they're influenced by the ideals of some old-school "role models" which were secretly bought then by the state for spreading their ideals or were downright "big utopic dreamers" already then.
So to say, everyone which thinks a little on his own, doesn't show this welcoming culture, everyone of that says "we got a ton of own things to solve first before we invite poverty and war from foreign countries to us". I say it that way to give it a reasonable direction.
All in all, this is some matter that is supposed to be this way in nearly every aspect. The only thing to get smart about is: Who makes that happen and why? What's the goal exactly? Is the progress of the events already on that lane that somebody wants to achieve?

Anything else what this should achieve, I would still save my comment about because it still isn't that clearly visible. At least I wouldn't calculate with an answer that is too easy.
You know, we're still talking about structure, we're still talking about strategy...

[onb2017.livejournal.com]

That's true but don't you think they try to bring attention to it through propaganda and media because they control media? So it is one of the means of manipulation. For example, I read about three Syrians caught in Germany last week and they put whole bunch of troops and something like a national guard? Why? You always wonder if it is possibly staged. I do not believe in conspiracy theories but why the attention to things like that is so huge and selective. I just wonder.

But I agree about strategy. I don't know how to attract people that are somewhere in the middle to the left. The only thing I know there is no use being arrogant. The best thing is to try to explain to people in most pleasant terms that the real problem is the whole system. Some of them won't listen but some do.

[matrixmann]

That's already included in the count.
It's orchestrated from the front to the back. From the media to the actions that take place.
The only thing that proves difficult with it is: Sometimes there still even appear gaps in the game. Gaps I'd suspect mostly left intentionally - to make oneself invulnerable to claims and complaints "you're controlled and purchased". Like, when somebody once did a critital report on a subject and while a hundred are not being broadcasted, one gets for once. Well, at a bad time for broadcasting a thing, so that barely anyone sees the report, but just for alibi and that it causes minimal damage to the usual programm behind the scenes.
Sometimes you can very openly recognize when the system left a gap for getting an alibi, sometimes it's not that easy and that's what makes it hard to read, hard to guess what you should do with that content.
Also, you need to still it in the back of your mind: It's mass meda. And mass media acts as as mass media thinks it needs to act. Sell, sell, sell.
You also don't know when something out of that scheme is being broadcasted and it actually has no deeper meaning or it's just there for getting other reports out of the big news shows.

Call it when you try to get the strategy of your enemy, but you can just do it by guessing. You have nobody which concretly tells you what exactly is their plan. What is it what takes place behind the curtains.

[onb2017.livejournal.com]

I think, sometimes real info gets through but people are so desensitized, they don't care. Plus yeah you are right it is like an alibi- like "you see, we have a free press" type of deal. But they always downplay it. On the contrary whatever is on the agenda, they talk and talk about everywhere.

[matrixmann]

A lot of people don't even think about it just because it doesn't even reach them or they are already as confused as those which know to tell the propaganda lies from those pieces who are correct. As a mentioned, then things get broadcasted and told on TV late in the evning or late at night, when most people already have to sleep again to get up early for work next day.
Also, think about the effect of mantras: Mantras get told a thousand times, one of these truths only once or twice and then never again. Through the repeating, what do you guess what becomes "the truth" in the end? Right, that shit that the repeat a thousand times. Even if you don't believe in it, it's what you remember most about an issue though.

And even then, still you face the problem: Nobody still has an idea that could work how a "different system" from what they know could look like. That's also an important factor.

[onb2017.livejournal.com]

Yeah, propaganda is a powerful weapon and they have mastered it quite well. And it is much easier to manipulate people with lies than educate them. Damn.

[matrixmann]

And, you know what?
Propaganda is even more a powerful tool if they also take over the messages of what once was "the other side".
Speaking, if you encounter propaganda in ideological territories, made by the reigning structures of capitalism, where you don't expect it.
The matter "diversity in society" once used to be rather an interest of groups contrary to conservatism and capitalism, but, as the state is that it has reached now, it is on the threshold of turning into fascim as well because it tries to silence even healthy criticism.
And you get the impression like this is also the work of the overall system. People that follow it totally don't know, they also don't believe if you tell them.
They believe they follow ideas of "human rights" and "a better society" and "green energy", but in fact they're controlled by the system again. They follow the ideas the system gives them with the meaning of these terms.

[onb2017.livejournal.com]

Totally. In a way, it is genius. They have total control over people's minds with them thinking they are free.

You see they always point out that there was soviet propaganda and I say something like "did you, guys want western propaganda to be in the soviet union?" But the point is the soviet propaganda was in reality showing what capitalist society is like and censorship of any low quality degrading material. It seems outrageous but what western propaganda does is way worse because it is manipulating people and spreading lies.

[matrixmann]

I also keep hearing that often enough. The GDR TV also fought its fight against Western German TV, and today and maybe even back then it was seen as dull state propaganda, like "yeah, all things need to be bad in the West..."
Even though it was also done with taking original pieces out of West German TV.

Today you experience a similar phenomenon with the rise of such media networks like RT or Sputniknews for the German market.
"All just Russian state propaganda what they tell", this is the mantra Western infiltrated media keeps repeating about it here.
But, strangely enough, I find, and others also seem to find, their version seems to be closer to the truth than what is told about subjects through the mainstrem media.
For example, you can see that pretty much by the example of the Syria war. In the beginning, it's all been lies, conspiracy theories or enemy propaganda that there are terrorist going round in that country and that they occupy the towns and kill the people.
What is the common version even in Western media now? "Terrorists going round in Syria, occupying towns and killing people." Even the accusations of use of chemical weaponry slowly turn towards the terrorists in Western media. How credible does it now seem, Obamas famous "red line", the shelling of Ghouta with chemical weapons that allegedly was executed by Syrian forces?
You can see that on that nobody talks about that even anymore in Western press.

Just to say: This time it looks like the press from the East which tells a lot about the lies in the West will win the fight. Because truth first is on their side and second, the West is not able to keep people on its side anymore with its lies that more and more people can see straight through.
But that may be a fight that takes pretty long and comes in small steps...

I see that on how you run against walls in the mainstream if it's about lifestyle ideas - that you can also do something differently and still be what you claim to be.
The forces of that currently are also still very small compared to the bullhorns that always get a voice to spread their ideas.