Erinnerung

[matrixmann]

Originally posted by matrixmann at Erinnerung

2011: An earthquake with the magnitude of 9.0 appears under water not far from the coast of Japan.
First the quake itself devastates the area, but more importantly it triggers a tsunami wave which adds on top of this.
A nearby nuclear power plant in Fukushima was affected heavily by both and, due to human arrogance and greed that made it be constructed suitable to economical needs, but not apropriate to the needs of a facility that stands on a cliff coast of a volcanic island, a meltdown appeared during the following days.
400.000 people in estimated numbers had to leave their homes and be evacuated in the zone set by the state around the power plant.
The state of Japan, being located where it is, hung on a thing thread depending on the outcome of the acute actions made to meet this disaster.

Still until this very day, the consequences out of this event keep the authorities busy.

Comments

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“Admittedly, this is the kind of stuff that I always found more interesting than owning a nuclear shelter and piling up food cans. 'Cause surviving in the forest and stuff like this, this is also stuff that can use you in the present, once some other natural disaster strikes or blackouts happen that don't vanish during the next hours.”
Yes, this knowledge could be useful but I doubt in too developed Europe where it is hardly you could see a forest nowadays. The nuclear shelter demands a lot of knowledge and experience cause it is not possible just to sit under the surface and do nothing. Actually, closed in a shelter you are like a spaceman in more simplified version of space station – you could know how work everything from accumulator, generator to air pump and so on. It is possible to pay the money to make everything automatic and look how your workers are maintaining machineries but will it stay for long? So, I am totally agree that some rich guys are sponsoring the work in this direction – they are doing it for themselves but their money are working for everybody benefit.
“Cooking is also a nice matter to talk about in this. I'm doing self-teaching for a little while now 'cause simply I'm forced to do it and I find that much a good practical experience when doing this without any processed stuff to shorten down time spent.
Well, to be fair, it takes quite a bit of time, I'd never guessed this before, but on the other hand, argh, it's a thing of the own ambition.”
I am cooking for myself from sixteen years old and quite experienced about – I could do every dish with prescription and necessary ingredients, I am not maybe of a restaurant’s level of course but it is a pleasure always to give himself and relatives a pleasure to make something new or instead to try to make something very well known as better and willing as possible.
Now, I am trying to make an eco meat if I can call it this way from corns plus the beer for free... Space is eating my brains! :)

[matrixmann]

Hm, I say, it depends on where you live in Europe.
Although the continent is pretty populated, you still also have your spots where this isn't so. Also in respect to that all people pilgrim to the big cities again in bigger extent because "big cities contain life, action and so on".
Those rural areas that you have, when you are trapped in one of this, then if often is bad for your living. 'Cause nobody invests in structure in more rural areas - much too low profit...

Yep, that's what I figure - practicing bomb/nuclear shelter is actually a pretty complicated matter and, in the case of all cases, in the end, you have to live like a hermit, you've got to generate everything for yourself, your water, your air to breathe - everything. Nothing from the outside must get in. That's your death verdict.
And in that aspect, who really is able to reproduce this? Who has got that knowledge also how to do this?
And in the end, it may also be a slow death anyway 'cause you ain't got supplies for a whole life down there.
It's meaningless...

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“Hm, I say, it depends on where you live in Europe.
Although the continent is pretty populated, you still also have your spots where this isn't so.”

The E is overpopulated and where all these people will rush in a case to the rural areas for sure as it was during the WW2 and as it was in Japan’s nuclear destroying cities, people will run where it is possible to find a shelter, water and food.
When I am thinking in perspective to witness something here in Russia I don’t know where it will be more safe at cities with some law and small supplies or in the rural areas where the bandits will do whatever they like…


"And in the end, it may also be a slow death anyway 'cause you ain't got supplies for a whole life down there.
It's meaningless..."

I’ve read “Seveneves” where the author was discussing some problems of isolation and nuclear contamination and he had done a good job. I think, the nuclear war is a disastrous but if you will be hundreds kilometers of an explosion sitting in a hole in a soil with generator, well, small food supplies and the equipment to make a little – I think you will feel much better than dying from radiation in a zone of nuclear contamination as it could happen at the places like Poland where USA is placing their rockets. I doubt that it will be useful to send the nuclear rockets on some part of Siberia where it is five people on square kilometer but of course it is possible to fail even here cause the extremely populated regions could have their defense systems and Siberia is empty from everything, so you’ll never know where it is better to be in a case if only not out of mother Earth… ;) Anyway, I like space cause it demands people to grow as in morality as in technologies cause it doesn’t give an opportunity to shit in your own pants as the humanity is doing right now like a baby with a nurse flying around and taking care of everything. I like space, so I better move in the direction of trying to be more independent, developed technically and having a small ridiculous shelter than I’ll be dreaming that everything is alright and better to die in a moment than do something for dark future, here is one question “if you don’t?” “If you will be suffering like Japanese were suffering during American experiment – without anything but a wish for life.

[matrixmann]

As far as I know for WWII in Europe - the rural areas, not only the damage from bombing wasn't that huge (well, what to bomb if there's no aim to find, really?), but also the supply situation in foods and that stuff. Back then, the countries were way more self-sufficient in their food supply.
So, with less damage present, the people in the countryside at least could supply themselves with foods directly.
Well, today nothing like a thinkable scneario... They all outsourced that except for profitable core businesses.

Well, if it is more comfortable to die from radiation and the type of damage a nuclear missle can cause or from starving dozens of kilometers underneath the surface of earth - I don't really want to judge this as both is horrible. First option is painful, very painful, but the other also must be characterized by feelings of constant powerlessness, and in the end it must be a really slow death. And if that does feel more comfortable than the other, I don't know...
Saying, when the case of all cases really applies, you'll only be able to run away from your fate for some time, but you won't be able to avoid it ultimately. That fact you must be clear with in your head.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

"I don't know..."

I am certain that the far and lonely you could be the better after watching the documentary about nuclear bombing of Japan cause it was a hell with thousands of wounded screaming for help and water children around - nice place for a man seeking a praise for a soon paradise...

"Saying, when the case of all cases really applies, you'll only be able to run away from your fate for some time, but you won't be able to avoid it ultimately. That fact you must be clear with in your head."

Yes and no, the traces on our lands showing that we were through a real nuclear war ten-more thousands years ago - it had caused people moving to the South while the climate was more mild on the North - it is all easy readable, so people had survived though of course it wasn't a celebration of humanism for sure...

[matrixmann]

I am well aware of the fact of one's own inner drive to survive. Even if all conditions speak against it, you feel horrible pain, still it wants to get by, even if the situation is something that indicates "there is no way out here". Nothing harder there is than surrendering to death - or even executing that idea to take that into your own hand.
So I can imagine for myself, even if your whole body is burned, your skin melts off your bones and you're indeed only a half torso with a head and an arm - still you cling to live instinctively and try to go on living, from that situation.
So I really don't want to judge what is worse in that situation - trying to survive as half a portion of a human or knowing your air runs out, supplies run out and you gonna starve sooner or later in a few days/weeks.
Saying... despair can drive you up the walls. Despair lets you eat things which you know make you sick, despair even lets you forget about radiation or contamination if it lets you breathe and fill your stomach.
It lets you forget about the cancer that comes in only a few days, it lets you forget about all your hesitations and your logic thinking in a blow, if it can only satisfy those basic needs.
Your brain isn't even interested in if those actions will kill you, although your mind knew that before firmly.

I won't say this is very comfortable either... When your inner drive to survive goes havoc and won't accept its fate, even though every resistance is futile.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

Yesterday I spoke to my floor neighbor, he is sixty five, a pensioner from fifty cause was working on harmful factories, he has no tooth, his legs are nearly not working cause his back is profusely damaged. When I am telling his to cure his back he is telling that he is preparing for death cause he has lived enough... I am thinking for such old fellow it would be fine to die some how much more interesting than to get rotten weak on a bed but... the children... maybe only the thought about our children is stoping this world or powerful fat asses starting wars for profit to not play to hard with countries paying the bill to have a nuclear answer to the main question...

[matrixmann]

Hm, I'd say...
What has conquering territory and other countries resources been for? What purpose?
To use it yourself. So you can't contamine it for thousands of years because that oil will also be your gasoline inside the tank of your expensive car. Your food will also come from potentially contamined sources...
So that's why the nuclear answer still remains like some sort of "very last option to win the game". Things just have moved on since Little Boy...
No rich guy wants to suffer damage himself from his chessboard games.