Erinnerung

[matrixmann]

Originally posted by matrixmann at Erinnerung

2011: An earthquake with the magnitude of 9.0 appears under water not far from the coast of Japan.
First the quake itself devastates the area, but more importantly it triggers a tsunami wave which adds on top of this.
A nearby nuclear power plant in Fukushima was affected heavily by both and, due to human arrogance and greed that made it be constructed suitable to economical needs, but not apropriate to the needs of a facility that stands on a cliff coast of a volcanic island, a meltdown appeared during the following days.
400.000 people in estimated numbers had to leave their homes and be evacuated in the zone set by the state around the power plant.
The state of Japan, being located where it is, hung on a thing thread depending on the outcome of the acute actions made to meet this disaster.

Still until this very day, the consequences out of this event keep the authorities busy.

Comments

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

It was terrifying picturesque to see the waves coming in what I couldn't say though about the nuclear fuss after...
I hear time to time some crazy ideas that it was a nuclear bomb exploded at the ocean bottom though the many after shakes people had witnessed had proved it is a bullshit.

[matrixmann]

Hm... I feel like, years ago, I heard some people from the right corner of the internet (the weird conspiracy territory) speculate about some submarine or big war ship driving round the area at that time too.
But... I keep saying to myself, those people always make a big fuzz out of anything they can get. It sounded pretty ridiculous.
Much more ridiculous than speculating about a plane from Malaysia that cannot be found until today downed by some secret weapon test or a normal weapon test gone wrong. (Well, I'm being sarcastic here, hope that one is able to notice it.)

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

"But... I keep saying to myself, those people always make a big fuzz out of anything they can get. It sounded pretty ridiculous."

Yes, I think the reality we are living in is much more harsh than anything we could do themselves... I like watching though the natural disasters like it was in Haiti, Japan and others to understand more our planet and to be more grateful for every calm day I am living through...

[matrixmann]

Well, Japan is only some island created by volcanic activity.
The danger of earthquakes, even big ones, and tsunamis accompanying it are known. Just like Los Angeles with the waiting for the big devastating earthquake.
I think, in this aspect, modern humans build their towns and live way too much naive and kept in the mindset "oh, this won't happen to me as long as I live". Everything's constituted to work as long as nothing happens and the big cheese cover continues to exist every day until forever and ever. The possibility of anything getting in between and fucking that up gets totally pushed aside and far, far away from human thinking.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

Yes, looking on New York right now I am thinking about it! Why we are not the wiser and are not building the cities under the surface at central parts of mainland while all the necessary technologies are existing today and there are even huge amount of previously made tunnels under the surface as at Russia as at USA which were built by previous civilizations which certainly were preparing for something special as the scientists are thinking, - the answer is clear - we have time to build when we are not working from hand to mouth, we are stupid to think and see further than the tip of our nose but I believe it is all the part of a game and as certainly it is not for long it is for sure there is some meaning in this.

[matrixmann]

Working hand to mouth is a big problem in this.
But also I see the problem in those people that reign the little sheep underneath them. Those also seem to think like "life's nothing with obstacles in it". More than that, that nothing can affect them as well as the little sheep underneath them. Some sort of... megalomania that they're invincible. That they got everything under control.
I think that's, maybe, a much bigger problem than the other - because people living hand to mouth get more pushed into their roles less than they voluntarily chose it. Their impact they can do is limited.
But those which have the means in this society, they definitely ARE capable of doing anything, changing anything, and they just don't want to. They rather want to pile up money, collect it, and, like a daily mental compulsion, they just want to go on doing what they did every day during the last 40 years - piling up money for never really wanting to spend it (except for investing in projects again which bring them even more money again).

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

Money making... yes, it is impossible to force people invest in projects like a hole in a soil for the worst days and it is much more interesting to accumulate the people in one "wonderful" place at a sea beach where "strangely" land is getting so expensive that it is possible to build only the skyscrapers and of course to get a lot of money out of it. We are living one life and people are getting to the top most of their life and want everything now cause there is no much time left and it is now you have to pay the bills of family, lovers, pleasures and so on.
From other side if to believe to scientists the whole USA can turn momentarily into a big hell introduction if the Yellow Stone will make one small pufff, so maybe it is too paranoid to think every time about the bad scenarios. “Make your dream come true now, don't think about tomorraw!” ;)

[matrixmann]

Holes in the soil in the end only go to the wealthy class.
That scenario already was there in Cold War as each and everyone was obsessed with a nuclear fallout caused by a bomb.
Everywhere you had fallout shelters designed for the wealthy and the high political class. The rest - would have gone to hell...
And so they'd keep doing even today. There's not much else to be expected.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

Yes, I'd read some article from the popular American journal where different wealthy guys were interviewed and yes, they were telling buying the shelters or property at New Zealand, I'd posted the link to this amusing article somewhere. Tough, I don't know is it a bad thing that people which have an opportunity and desire to think about a possible tomorrow are doing something about?
I've read an article about our Russian survivalists and they differ from the West ones cause they at least are younger - it was not popular in USSR during the eighties cold war threats to think about trying to save themselves - you had to think how to help a society and even that we were taught how to behave after the nuclear explosions, I am certain that the picture of surviving in USSR would had been not too much different from the USA one because necessary people would have been allowed to shelters plus some amount of children maybe but the masses certainly would had gone to grandfathers without proper food supplies and so on.
Nowadays survivalists in Russia are preparing to survive in forests eating grass and what is possible to find without the prepared shelters and technologies - of course it is a question where they will be taking food when a nuclear winter will start but nobody cares much about it I guess, and all this is a matter of fanfic and today pleasure to think that you are invincible in a forest.
We have today the regular shelters and food storages but I doubt they suit for longer than one year and again certainly will be gradation of necessary people as military and medical stuff and unnecessary like road builders , carpenters or other extremely unchangeable fellows.
Anyway, even if I am not hope to survive something big and extraordinary, I believe, it is would be helpful for our civilization to think about the possible negative ways of our developing future and even on our own kitchen to try to prepare the simple food, to think how it is possible to eat more cheap and healthy instead of spending thousands on restaurants and overseas vacations. It is could be easy as it is to teach what you know your son – what is edible and what is not, how to do this and that with your own arms and so on but of course it is other matter that our children don’t like absolutely all these extra training and prefer to play a real nuclear wars on the computer… ;)

[matrixmann]

Admittedly, this is the kind of stuff that I always found more interesting than owning a nuclear shelter and piling up food cans. 'Cause surviving in the forest and stuff like this, this is also stuff that can use you in the present, once some other natural disaster strikes or blackouts happen that don't vanish during the next hours. Also, it is some kind of "contrast program" compared to the usual socialization of being a couch potato or getting signalized "don't you ever dare to think for yourself!" that is subtlely common here.
Cooking is also a nice matter to talk about in this. I'm doing self-teaching for a little while now 'cause simply I'm forced to do it and I find that much a good practical experience when doing this without any processed stuff to shorten down time spent.
Well, to be fair, it takes quite a bit of time, I'd never guessed this before, but on the other hand, argh, it's a thing of the own ambition. When you like a good roast, doesn't it feel good to be able to prepare that yourself? Being able to be living off after that from that hunk of meat that you got then? I think that's much of a good feeling.
Or when you do some classic stew, if you really like your creation when it's finished.
I think it's also a lesson in tastes because you never overly spice that stuff as much as they do that in processed foods. Especially in salt I realize that. You fairly get to realize what you've got to invest in efforts to receive that kind of stuff which your preference aims for.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“Admittedly, this is the kind of stuff that I always found more interesting than owning a nuclear shelter and piling up food cans. 'Cause surviving in the forest and stuff like this, this is also stuff that can use you in the present, once some other natural disaster strikes or blackouts happen that don't vanish during the next hours.”
Yes, this knowledge could be useful but I doubt in too developed Europe where it is hardly you could see a forest nowadays. The nuclear shelter demands a lot of knowledge and experience cause it is not possible just to sit under the surface and do nothing. Actually, closed in a shelter you are like a spaceman in more simplified version of space station – you could know how work everything from accumulator, generator to air pump and so on. It is possible to pay the money to make everything automatic and look how your workers are maintaining machineries but will it stay for long? So, I am totally agree that some rich guys are sponsoring the work in this direction – they are doing it for themselves but their money are working for everybody benefit.
“Cooking is also a nice matter to talk about in this. I'm doing self-teaching for a little while now 'cause simply I'm forced to do it and I find that much a good practical experience when doing this without any processed stuff to shorten down time spent.
Well, to be fair, it takes quite a bit of time, I'd never guessed this before, but on the other hand, argh, it's a thing of the own ambition.”
I am cooking for myself from sixteen years old and quite experienced about – I could do every dish with prescription and necessary ingredients, I am not maybe of a restaurant’s level of course but it is a pleasure always to give himself and relatives a pleasure to make something new or instead to try to make something very well known as better and willing as possible.
Now, I am trying to make an eco meat if I can call it this way from corns plus the beer for free... Space is eating my brains! :)

[matrixmann]

Hm, I say, it depends on where you live in Europe.
Although the continent is pretty populated, you still also have your spots where this isn't so. Also in respect to that all people pilgrim to the big cities again in bigger extent because "big cities contain life, action and so on".
Those rural areas that you have, when you are trapped in one of this, then if often is bad for your living. 'Cause nobody invests in structure in more rural areas - much too low profit...

Yep, that's what I figure - practicing bomb/nuclear shelter is actually a pretty complicated matter and, in the case of all cases, in the end, you have to live like a hermit, you've got to generate everything for yourself, your water, your air to breathe - everything. Nothing from the outside must get in. That's your death verdict.
And in that aspect, who really is able to reproduce this? Who has got that knowledge also how to do this?
And in the end, it may also be a slow death anyway 'cause you ain't got supplies for a whole life down there.
It's meaningless...

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“Hm, I say, it depends on where you live in Europe.
Although the continent is pretty populated, you still also have your spots where this isn't so.”

The E is overpopulated and where all these people will rush in a case to the rural areas for sure as it was during the WW2 and as it was in Japan’s nuclear destroying cities, people will run where it is possible to find a shelter, water and food.
When I am thinking in perspective to witness something here in Russia I don’t know where it will be more safe at cities with some law and small supplies or in the rural areas where the bandits will do whatever they like…


"And in the end, it may also be a slow death anyway 'cause you ain't got supplies for a whole life down there.
It's meaningless..."

I’ve read “Seveneves” where the author was discussing some problems of isolation and nuclear contamination and he had done a good job. I think, the nuclear war is a disastrous but if you will be hundreds kilometers of an explosion sitting in a hole in a soil with generator, well, small food supplies and the equipment to make a little – I think you will feel much better than dying from radiation in a zone of nuclear contamination as it could happen at the places like Poland where USA is placing their rockets. I doubt that it will be useful to send the nuclear rockets on some part of Siberia where it is five people on square kilometer but of course it is possible to fail even here cause the extremely populated regions could have their defense systems and Siberia is empty from everything, so you’ll never know where it is better to be in a case if only not out of mother Earth… ;) Anyway, I like space cause it demands people to grow as in morality as in technologies cause it doesn’t give an opportunity to shit in your own pants as the humanity is doing right now like a baby with a nurse flying around and taking care of everything. I like space, so I better move in the direction of trying to be more independent, developed technically and having a small ridiculous shelter than I’ll be dreaming that everything is alright and better to die in a moment than do something for dark future, here is one question “if you don’t?” “If you will be suffering like Japanese were suffering during American experiment – without anything but a wish for life.

[matrixmann]

As far as I know for WWII in Europe - the rural areas, not only the damage from bombing wasn't that huge (well, what to bomb if there's no aim to find, really?), but also the supply situation in foods and that stuff. Back then, the countries were way more self-sufficient in their food supply.
So, with less damage present, the people in the countryside at least could supply themselves with foods directly.
Well, today nothing like a thinkable scneario... They all outsourced that except for profitable core businesses.

Well, if it is more comfortable to die from radiation and the type of damage a nuclear missle can cause or from starving dozens of kilometers underneath the surface of earth - I don't really want to judge this as both is horrible. First option is painful, very painful, but the other also must be characterized by feelings of constant powerlessness, and in the end it must be a really slow death. And if that does feel more comfortable than the other, I don't know...
Saying, when the case of all cases really applies, you'll only be able to run away from your fate for some time, but you won't be able to avoid it ultimately. That fact you must be clear with in your head.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

"I don't know..."

I am certain that the far and lonely you could be the better after watching the documentary about nuclear bombing of Japan cause it was a hell with thousands of wounded screaming for help and water children around - nice place for a man seeking a praise for a soon paradise...

"Saying, when the case of all cases really applies, you'll only be able to run away from your fate for some time, but you won't be able to avoid it ultimately. That fact you must be clear with in your head."

Yes and no, the traces on our lands showing that we were through a real nuclear war ten-more thousands years ago - it had caused people moving to the South while the climate was more mild on the North - it is all easy readable, so people had survived though of course it wasn't a celebration of humanism for sure...

[matrixmann]

I am well aware of the fact of one's own inner drive to survive. Even if all conditions speak against it, you feel horrible pain, still it wants to get by, even if the situation is something that indicates "there is no way out here". Nothing harder there is than surrendering to death - or even executing that idea to take that into your own hand.
So I can imagine for myself, even if your whole body is burned, your skin melts off your bones and you're indeed only a half torso with a head and an arm - still you cling to live instinctively and try to go on living, from that situation.
So I really don't want to judge what is worse in that situation - trying to survive as half a portion of a human or knowing your air runs out, supplies run out and you gonna starve sooner or later in a few days/weeks.
Saying... despair can drive you up the walls. Despair lets you eat things which you know make you sick, despair even lets you forget about radiation or contamination if it lets you breathe and fill your stomach.
It lets you forget about the cancer that comes in only a few days, it lets you forget about all your hesitations and your logic thinking in a blow, if it can only satisfy those basic needs.
Your brain isn't even interested in if those actions will kill you, although your mind knew that before firmly.

I won't say this is very comfortable either... When your inner drive to survive goes havoc and won't accept its fate, even though every resistance is futile.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

Yesterday I spoke to my floor neighbor, he is sixty five, a pensioner from fifty cause was working on harmful factories, he has no tooth, his legs are nearly not working cause his back is profusely damaged. When I am telling his to cure his back he is telling that he is preparing for death cause he has lived enough... I am thinking for such old fellow it would be fine to die some how much more interesting than to get rotten weak on a bed but... the children... maybe only the thought about our children is stoping this world or powerful fat asses starting wars for profit to not play to hard with countries paying the bill to have a nuclear answer to the main question...

[matrixmann]

Hm, I'd say...
What has conquering territory and other countries resources been for? What purpose?
To use it yourself. So you can't contamine it for thousands of years because that oil will also be your gasoline inside the tank of your expensive car. Your food will also come from potentially contamined sources...
So that's why the nuclear answer still remains like some sort of "very last option to win the game". Things just have moved on since Little Boy...
No rich guy wants to suffer damage himself from his chessboard games.

[onb2017.livejournal.com]

What is interesting they never mention it and I am sure there are some effects that still are the consequences like the fish in the ocean that accumulates radioactive particles. Besides they were saying themselves that it takes 100 years for some of the particles to complete the cycle of half-life whoever it is properly called with radioactive elements when they decay.

[matrixmann]

I think they lie about it a lot. Why? Because economy and because of mass panic. Some sort of that.
'Cause, in the beginning they also didn't speak about a "nuclear fallout", and today they even admit it openly that it was something like that what happened there. Worse than Pripyat.
So that shit is much, much worse in any way than they like to admit. Administration can't only say "people, half of our food's gonna be contamined until the very day".
It wasn't purely for nothing that there was some sort of news of Putin saying "if Japan needs territory to relocate, just let me know". If that was really serious, well, let that be another matter...
But that was because one could realize with one's understanding that, if things process really badly, you can just evacuate all of the Japanese islands there.
That's how bad it was.
So nothing much discussing about the foods still cultivated over there...
(But you also continue to hear reports of Japanese people being mistrustful themselves. They sort of sense that their government didn't and still doesn't tell them the truth about the full impact of this event. I don't know if common knowledge is the reason, or the example in Ukraine 30 years ago, or both or something else.)