Worlds apart, united in anthropocentrism (together the ruin of the earth)

[matrixmann]

You know what’s going to be the biggest factor getting in the way of soothing the extent that climate change will have on this blue sphere here?
The international community outside of the Western countries gives a fuck about so-called “green technologies”. They care more about their own development, which had been kept down for centuries by the plundering of the dominant European and North American countries. And that means, cheap energy accessible to the biggest mass of people and local industries carries more importance than making it as exclusive as it can get through applying complex and expensive technologies in the chain, which the bigger parts of the population in the first world countries are able to afford (in whatever way possible to individuals).
The mindset of the Western world and what they think of as “problems” is so far away from those of the rest of the world - literally elevated thousands of kilometers above the ground, figuratively.

So are many other issues such as that of a cultural nature, for example.
The rest of the world literally doesn’t care about the gender-fantasies of twenty-somethings in the US or Europe and their dreams of deconstructing the biological base of the two sexes. Or about rainbow flags, pride months and loudly celebrating LGBT minority rights like they would be a cure against HIV and cancer altogether (rights which quite a chunk of areas in the world don’t have anyway).
There are way more urgent problems to them than such boredom- and living-in-security-driven ergotherapy of emphasizing things that revolve around the aspect of the anthropocentric worldview to overestimate the social ongoings between humans in a society.

To the rest of the world, the classic aspects of the mindset of the anthropocentric worldview are important: Where do humans get a space to live, a roof over their head, food and water for humans, jobs to earn money and chances to procreate - as well as chances to feed that offspring and raise it into an adult.

If you want to get the rest of the world into the same boat as the culturally loony Western part of the planet, then you first rather need to get them to abandon their part of the anthropocentric worldview, in which all natural resources of the planet exist just to serve and be consumed primarily by humans. - Including your own focus where human business and social interaction still also overshadows everything, beside you talking about “wanting to save the world” and “protecting the environment” (inconsequently).

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[matrixmann]

Some corners of Berlin are said to be flooded with dealers similar to this.

Also: Youngsters these days, for example, less likely tend to get really drunk by alcohol or smoke cigarettes here, but smoke pot instead. And drink their metabolism to heart attack through consuming masses of energy drinks.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

"Also: Youngsters these days, for example, less likely tend to get really drunk by alcohol or smoke cigarettes here, but smoke pot instead. And drink their metabolism to heart attack through consuming masses of energy drinks."

Yes, I saw it here in Russia in nineties when Russia has been artificially plunged into addiction of all the types — first youngsters are using weeds and then inevitably they start to use amphetamines to speed up their ruined brains and when they are under amphetamines they are slowing down with consuming huge amount of alcohol and guess what comes next? )) Really hard drugs like mephedrone, heroin, LSD and others… so, it is a matter of time. When youngster is starting to use on a regular basis any drug it will inevitably will ruin his life and the life of his relatives. And when authorities are letting that be it is clear glimpse that your authorities are working not for good for your country or for your society but for somebody else, interesting to kill as many as possible of your citizens, to steal as much as possible…

[matrixmann]

If you ask me, not just in the subject of drugs, but many other social issues too, it feels like authorities have given up here. It costs way too much money to get one's own teens and twens back on track, if they've fallen through the cracks. Money that the state claims to not have. (How strange... They can buy weapons for Ukraine and support their coup attempts around the world, but it's too much demanded again if their people want anything from them.)
The state even is too stingy to invest in simple quality school education for its own children to create its own "skilled workers"; rather they lure foreigners into the country who have already been educated and the costs paid by another country's budget.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“If you ask me, not just in the subject of drugs, but many other social issues too, it feels like authorities have given up here. It costs way too much money to get one's own teens and twens back on track”

No, it is not. You have just make it illegal to sell drugs and give police the opportunity to put in jail anybody producing and selling drugs…
Look on the last example as Philippines started to fight the drugs consumption and how fast The West has answered to condemn this work. The president of Philippines had even answered called the president of USA – Son of a bitch! )))
You could say that collective West is for human rights and couldn’t make such a terrible thing to divide people on right citizens and wrong citizens but it is a lie – the collective West has recently easily has divided people on right and wrong with letting steal money from Russians living and earning at Europe, now European officials want to send back all Russians and forbid Russians to visit Europe! So, no, again there are strict logic in Western actions and all is working well but the direction of movement is strange – collective west is moving to hell!

[matrixmann]

I'm talking overall social miseries, not just the ones caused by drugs. Purely social meatters aren't helped either to the extent that it would have to be done. Why is that? Because of the dogma of "small government".

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

Well, yes, our president had told once that USA reminds him the late USSR with an avalanche of unsolvable problems which are closing by printing money or with similar temporal mechanisms...

[matrixmann]

The US is even worse off, I think.
But, also here, some of the big cities, especially Berlin, it's like misery chained to even more misery. If not some non-profit organizations would be doing some work on the ground, lots of things were already lost.
And, you get the impression here like the state even already firmly relies on the work of these entities and their volunteers. It's like - things they don't have to initiate. Things they can outsource and the costs are paid out of someone else's wallet.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

Yes, I know it. It seems Europe is on the brink like USA is as well. The reason is simple — for hundreds of years Europe and USA were consuming their prosperity for constant stealing money from somewhere else – Africa, South America, Asia and when this opportunity has nearly stopped, nearly because even now USA is pumping oil from Iraq and Syria, for example and many European companies are pumping cheap resources from Africa as well, so USA and EU has gone all-in in anticipation that Russia will be divided very soon as USSR did and prosperity will last for several decades again, so USA was printing money to borrow resources from around the world and EU has started printing money to attract in the poor Eastern countries with inevitable destroying of their post-soviet industries and agricultural sectors... So, now USA and EU has got to a point that printing money is not helping anymore and Russia is never closer to fall to pieces, instead it has got strong as never as economically as military... USA wants WW3 and it is unclear what to do next for Europeans... they willingly had played to make things worse for themselves with all sanctions against Russia and with all late green bullshit when Europe has started to close atomic plants and is starting now to reopen coal industries. So, even when USA is working, as usual, against Europe, pushing it out of cheap Russian resources, promising to sell to Europe the American oil and gas but this is just impossible to bring on the market so much amount of resources in near perspective... So, yes, the problems of Europe are clear and it is clear that the corrupted European officials, like Ursula, are making it worse and worse…

[matrixmann]

Europe, and especially West Germany, lost their opponent to be competitive with as the Communist block fell.
Before, even them were forced to do a little bit of social democracy and grant social benefits - because there was a competitor right next to them who its people could stare at over the fence and ask their own governments "Why can they have these social comforts? What are they doing right, if they're supposedly economically inferior to us?".
But now, for a little more than 30 years, they don't have to anymore. The competitor is gone, and with him also the reason to afford oneself social "goodies" in the state system.

So to say, if you own the monopoly over the market, people have nobody else to go to, even if you offer them a totally shitty service.

But this way to act, to squeeze every little bit of profit out of people and society without leaving even a few breadcrumbs to them, now it slowly but surely starts to corrode the pillars of the basement of this system.
For example: If you stop investing in a decent public education, available to everyone, and you only fill in the gaps with foreigners lured into your country - sooner or later, there'll be no new markets with foreigners willing to come to your country anymore. All the educated foreigners have come and already keep the system up and running (or they have moved on to a different country with better conditions).
The only source left to find some skilled workers still, would be your own domestic population.
But how to use their manpower for production and the service industry if they're left behind by public school as dumb and unskilled as a loaf of toast?

And this is the point that Western Europe and the US reaches now.
No more feeding without spending money on it possible anymore.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“But now, for a little more than 30 years, they don't have to anymore. The competitor is gone, and with him also the reason to afford oneself social "goodies" in the state system.”

Yes, I agree with you here but don’t forget that Asia has woken up and what this means? It means that Europe, USA and others are in competition with several billions of extremely poor people of Asia, which recently had got all needed industries, technologies, money, resources ,you name it – they had got all they had needed to produce all and twice cheaper. China has no pension and their old guys are living in poverty, needless to mention India and when you or your government decide to buy some product from India you have to think that sooner or later you will live as the middle man at India. It is as simple as that. Americans, maybe are thinking that world war will pull their economy by ears up but not now, not at the times of nuclear power weaponry… So, again, the simple strict logic had told me long ago prepare for more modest life but of course Russians were always surviving – it is kind of our national sport. I can tell you a lot of things happening here as at USSR times as at nineties when my father in law was growing chickens at the garage basement but most of our planet folks are living even worse right now and situation will worsen more with weather problems and constant population growth at equatorial line which is suffering hard from floods and droughts …

“And this is the point that Western Europe and the US reaches now.
No more feeding without spending money on it possible anymore.”

Education, yes it suffers at the collective west but we – Russians, it seems has stopped destroying our USSR education system and are trying to get all back…
I have best of best post USSR education for free and I appreciate it very much but nowadays youngsters are not willing to study… they want to play computer all day long and work at a plant. Plus we have hundreds of thousands immigrant or better to say guest workers which are working everywhere for less payments which also is not stimulates youngsters to study and work.
And anyway Russia is such rich country and it is very difficult to suffer here, at least now, from hunger or being extremely poor if you can walk... Today I had bought wheat for my indo ducks by 0.3 Euro per kilogram. My relative had presented me one duck a year ago and now I have thirty ducks and one else is sitting on eggs. I could not work at all but to grow ducks, chickens, breeding bees and so on because there is so many free and cheap land at Russia now and energy is cheap, fertilizers are cheap of course compare them to Europe…

[matrixmann]

Speaking of education, I caught it recently that Russia, as a result of the ban from the (Western) international community, decided to abandon the standards introduced by the Bolognia process - which introduced the master and bachelor degrees in university education.

Hearing that, I was like "dammit, it wouldn't hurt if they did this here too..." - because I think the copycatting of the American university education standards downgraded the quality of even the former West German academic education.

Ah, and btw - it seems like it's a plague around the world that kids rather want to play with their cell-phones than learning a craft, don't they? (And I thought of my brain being pretty contamined with games and media...)

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

Yes, we are getting out of many West – Russia programs and education is one, small part of it.
Many military programs, space, trade norms…
If we will cut out the west education system maybe it will make it more difficult for USA to steal our young specialists but we need some much more hard and strong actions to get back on USSR track as in education, science as in industries…
“Ah, and btw - it seems like it's a plague around the world that kids rather want to play with their cell-phones than learning a craft, don't they? (And I thought of my brain being pretty contamined with games and media...)”

You know - each creature in pairs… World is changing and it is changing fast, youngsters are more progressive in computers and electronics than old guys as I am but we need only to not lose the opportunity of growing up as hundreds years before the best world scientists and of course they shouldn’t play computer games and use a calculator while they are growing or their brain will be something else but brain which could produce new things…

[matrixmann]

There's already decades of history of computer industry, but up until very recently, until smartphones became a standard gadget, kids who played also had an interest in finding out how all this works that brings them their entertainment. And how you can create something in that sector yourself (either in software or hardware).
Dammit, I even know, as Commodore was still on the market and computers still were complicated enough to keep the stupid spirits away, but leave the smart ones possibilities to easily produce something home-brew, kids didn't just stay consumer gamers, but tried to become coders, musicians and crack-programmers! Some people who programmed cracks and cracktros to deactivate a copy-protection in the 90s were still just teens!
And today it's the competition "whose thumb is as strong to pull a bus"... Plain consuming. Fiddling with their phones all over the day.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“Things they can outsource and the costs are paid out of someone else's wallet.”

Again, European sweet Dreams to live for free are not going to come true in near perspective… Russia is not going to sell its resources for empty numbers anymore, after EU has stolen our money and our property on the territory of EU we will be selling for Rubles and only if EU could sell us something back cause we don’t know where to throw your money already… so while the gas is three or more times expensive now at Europe, plus extreme heat and waterless weather has strike Europe year after year, volunteers will not help much – it is time for your authorities to sit firmly and think– what the heck we are doing? Will our actions will stop Russia protecting their own citizens on the East of Ukraine (there are hundreds of thousands Russian citizens there which are having Russia passports) after 15000 civilians of Russian origin were killed by the western army of Ukraine already? Will the EU sanctions harm Russia or will the sanctions kill our EU industries which are working already bit to bit in a very hard competition with China which, again, has not suffering with idiotic green ideas? Are the green technologies a myth which Americans had put at our – European corrupted mass media - to force our politicians to harm our energy independence and hence to harm our industries and hence to steal from Europe money as they did during ww1 and ww2? And so on and on…
“Things they can outsource and the costs are paid out of someone else's wallet.”

Again, European sweet Dreams to live for free are not going to come true in near perspective… Russia is not going to sell its resources for empty numbers anymore, after EU has stolen our money and our property on the territory of EU we will be selling for Rubles and only if EU could sell us something back cause we don’t know where to throw your money already… so while the gas is three or more times expensive now at Europe, plus extreme heat and waterless weather has strike Europe year after year, volunteers will not help much – it is time for your authorities to sit firmly and think– what the heck we are doing? Will our actions will stop Russia protecting their own citizens on the East of Ukraine (there are hundreds of thousands Russian citizens there which are having Russia passports) after 15000 civilians of Russian origin were killed by the western army of Ukraine already? Will the EU sanctions harm Russia or will the sanctions kill our EU industries which are working already bit to bit in a very hard competition with China which, again, has not suffering with idiotic green ideas? Are the green technologies a myth which Americans had put at our – European corrupted mass media - to force our politicians to harm our energy independence and hence to harm our industries and hence to steal from Europe money as they did during ww1 and ww2? And so on and on…

[matrixmann]

"Are the green technologies a myth which Americans had put at our – European corrupted mass media - to force our politicians to harm our energy independence and hence to harm our industries "

Here you'll have to disginuish again between matter itself and between the agitprop the capitalist system makes out of it.
First, the energy consumption of the humans can't go on like before, otherwise they'll make the planet as unlively for all other creatures and that it could even lead to mankind itself dying out.
Only I fear, it may already be much too late with this large human world population - because you can't tell China, India, Africa and Russia now, after centuries of plundering the world, that they get no turn to do that themselves.
But just the imagination of China and Africa making it to acquire a wealthy lifestyle near the known Western one, it's gonna be the overkill for the world climate as we know it because the mass of people in those two parts of the world are a couple of times larger than just Europe and North America.
So you can fasten your seatbelt how devastating it's going to be if that mass of people wants to live wasteful lifestyle - on top of what the plundering of the Western world already did to the global nature...

And second - well, if your mind has been formed by a household consisting of different types of technicians, guess what you'll do whenever some ads and stupid talking of people tries to suggest you "new eco-friendly technology"?
Of course, you logically check if that's actually the case.
And with much of the so-called "green technologies", I see that it's simply an exchange for using and consuming different resources than before - with the tendency to use up even more and more dirty technologies than before.
For example: One could cheer about "electric mobility", if it wouldn't mean to produce tons of new cars, each equipped with a battery that maybe lasts for a couple of years and then you'd have to exchange it. Producing new trash toxic to the environment.
The biggest joke in it, I found, was: Busses with batteries.
Hell! People, there already is an existing invention where a bus is driven purely by electric energy. It's called "trolleybus". The bus is constantly plugged in to the socket like an electric locomotive.
Its range of usage my be limited, but this type is way more eco-friendly since you don't need any battery that weighs a ton and can't be recycled.
And, instead of strengthening the individual traffic again by just throwing new cars on the market, just fucking strengthen the conventional mass transportation again (preferably the railroad) because here also exists and invention that can drive by electric energy. It's called the "electric locomotive". Also gets along without a battery, can drive because of being plugged in to the socket all the time.
All those technologies are already known and beta-tested over decades... So there'd be no evil surprises possible to come with these. And they get along with lesser usage of natural resources like rare earths.
Why isn't this focused on and instead a reinvented wheel is being presented? Well, for sure because someone wants to make a sweet profit again by producing and selling all these batteries.

And Western Greens, rooted down mostly in social sciences at university, but no technical subjects or occupations, are that stupid to buy this shit. They buy this shit in the ads of the industry.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

Yes, I absolutely agree with you about electric cars – we have all trolleybuses and trains and we don’t need no huge batteries. Even cars could be easily made according to trolleybus technology – you need just the trolleybus electric charging system between the line where cars could charge and drive for a while. Yes, all this “new” technologies are not that new and of course absolutely not green because yes, firstly it is very expensive for our planet to make a battery and secondly you need electricity anyway and wind and sun energy had proved it is not cheap is ever stable working. But I was telling about the green European philosophy which had closed atomic stations, had closed coal mines, had printed amounts of money to invest into wind and sun energy just to fail…of course some clever guys had earn tons of money on that scam but EU is not going to stop here… seeing as USA is pushing Ukraine on a war against first nuclear power -Russia when it is not possible to win, EU nearly has closed all Russian most ecological gas lines to do what? To open back coal mines… It is a pure absurdity which has nothing to do with ecology or logic. I don’t know what to say about it… it looks only that Europe decided to have war again with Russia… Well, good luck with that…

“And Western Greens, rooted down mostly in social sciences at university, but no technical subjects or occupations, are that stupid to buy this shit. They buy this shit in the ads of the industry.”
Our mass media is telling that your greens are not greens at all – they are just the agents of USA and there are many evidences about this fact. It is just enough to look which objects they are fighting with and with which they are categorically not. Do you see many of your Europeans “greens” which are coming publicly to USA to stop the most harmful for planet oil recovery by hydraulic fracturing mines, are they storming the waste dumps of Europe for used windmills?

[matrixmann]

Trolleybuses, as far as I know, once came from Hungary, is that correct?

I think it was years ago that I read some small article that the last trolleybuses here in the country were abandoned.
Although, I can't tell if that's true.
At least I know that, about 10 years ago, Erfurt still had such ones. I think they had a complete city line that drove in a circle. If you already found your way out to the street of the railway station, the next mean to transport you further into the city that came along was a bus with "antlers". (Strange thing to see, if you don't know that something like that exists.)

Solar energy here has a bit more complex story than you draw it there... First, somehow this industry settled down in East Germany, out of all places it could choose. And there was a boom for years in that sector. 15 years ago, stocks like that of firms like Solarworld, they reached higher and higher with no real end in sight.
But then, as people literally even started getting themselves solar cells in order to produce electric energy themselves that had to be injected into the electricity supply net by the big players in the field, and which the latter even had to pay the people with the solar panels, then politics interfered into the game and agreed on decisions and laws which were aimed at making this production of electric energy by people other than the big planers unprofitable in the long term.
In short words: They undertook measures to get the ordinary people out of the supply market, in order to secure the profits of the big players - which own the big power plants.
At the time, there were also the first peope which talked of a "decentralized electric energy production" - meaning "cover all the roofs with solar panels in order to produce the energy we use up, so we can maybe switch off one big power plant".
I think this is something which the big players in the field wanted to prevent to happen under all circumstances.
Not only that they would have had to share the profits from supplying people with electric energy, but also, in the long term, there would have been competition to their conventional power plants (masses of solar panels anytime reach the production capacity of conventional power plants) - and that's something they didn't want.
These wishes of the big energy supply corporations were realized, now you only produce electric energy for yourself if you have solar panels, and they're as happy to still be the one who gets to cash in all of what people pay for electricity.

But, there was a price of that: The whole new industrial branch that had settled down in East Germany died through that. Because the attractiveness of solar panels dropped through all these measures, and because then China came along, capable and skilled to produce these solar panels way cheaper for everyone.
All those new firms active in the solar branch died one after another. And East Germany, again, became a desert in terms of "importance for whole Germany".

There would have been much different potentials in the solar branch, but politics and greedy fat cats destroyed it.

So - it's difficult to say at how much extent energy supply through this method "fails".
Through the politics done over a course of the last 15 years, it looks more like the electricity-producing industry behaves as stingy as stingy capitalists always behave - they want to make money with something for as long as they can, without changing anything in the concept and doing the least of maintenance to keep everything up an running.
If someone coerces them to build new structures, they cry out loudly because for once they have to invest some of the money again which they usually cash in from the people like protection money.

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

"Trolleybuses, as far as I know, once came from Hungary, is that correct?"

But the trolleybus was not invented at all in the Soviet Union, but in Germany, at the end of the 19th century. The world owes the appearance of the trolleybus to the talented engineer, inventor and entrepreneur Werner von Siemens, the founder of the now well-known company Siemens. His idea was to use a contact network for the transmission of electricity. The very first vehicle using this principle was called the "electric motor" and was introduced by Siemens near Berlin in 1882. It was a four-wheeled cart, where two two-kilowatt electric motors were connected to the rear pair of wheels through a chain drive.

https://zen.yandex.ru/media/pronauka/kto-i-gde-pridumal-trolleibus-5d493ce906cc4600ae84e170 (https://zen.yandex.ru/media/pronauka/kto-i-gde-pridumal-trolleibus-5d493ce906cc4600ae84e170)

[matrixmann]

Hm!! I didn't know that!
Also, that the concept of the trolleybus is already that old.
(But that's why I asked.)

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“I think it was years ago that I read some small article that the last trolleybuses here in the country were abandoned.
Although, I can't tell if that's true.
At least I know that, about 10 years ago, Erfurt still had such ones. I think they had a complete city line that drove in a circle. If you already found your way out to the street of the railway station, the next mean to transport you further into the city that came along was a bus with "antlers". (Strange thing to see, if you don't know that something like that exists.)”

We have trolleybuses at big cities along with all the possible others transport mechanisms working on electricity and this is altogether with a fact that fuel is so cheap in Russia…
Thing is that these electrical mechanisms are really clean for the big cities because electricity is received far away from masses of people as at some nuclear power station as at hydroelectricity station or at some small dirty old cruel fuel stations which are making heavy fumes… But again this fact that trolleybuses are finished at Europe is telling more than anything that European green don’t give a fork about ecology, they are working about somebody's paid agenda…

[matrixmann]

Indeed, trolleybuses are very widespread across Russia and Eastern Europe... "Funny", if you think about the Western propaganda which always wants to sell to people "the Russians all starve and have nothing; if they don't get Western "help", they'll die!".
In that point, they're equipped with modern technology than the West.

Yeah, and now that you mention it...
Vehicles driven by electric engines in the big cities, used in a widespread manner - indeed, that's a way to get your cities "cleaner", less full of bad air from fuel emissions, without cutting any of the transportation means short.

Well, I've already noticed in several such ways where you deal with technology in detail that the current "Greens" know a shit.
As I said, they're more from any social sciences background than a technological one - so, guess what weighs more in their ranks?
Ideas and dreams, not realities and solving particular problems.
And from castles in the sky, nobody can even buy himself a sandwich. They're useless without any practical way of turning thought into materia.

And that they have a pretty distorted and uneducated image of the past - well, if you're just a bit smart, you recognize that pretty quickly.
All just possessed by American Identity Politics - which suit for no other society than the American one...

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“These wishes of the big energy supply corporations were realized, now you only produce electric energy for yourself if you have solar panels, and they're as happy to still be the one who gets to cash in all of what people pay for electricity.”

Well what I can say about it… I don’t know, it is strange. As I understand the electricity market the small people never could be a competitor to big electricity holdings, so what to be afraid? It could be just a matter of electricity meter work. For example we have in Russia such option that you could buy a electricity meter or counter which has two regimes of work – day and night, at night the electricity is twice cheaper than at a day, something like that and some people are using it with warming water at a house at night and collecting electricity at accumulators to use it at a day…
But you know the electricity is so cheap at Russia thanks to USSR hard work to making all electrical stations and thanks to Putin he has come to power right in a moment to stop privatization of our electricity corporation… So, I do not bother much about electricity bills as I bother about the greed of our apartment house service and repair company bills, more threatening are only penalties bill on roads which have got out of any comprehension but they are so high to stop endless deaths on roads...

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

“So - it's difficult to say at how much extent energy supply through this method "fails".”

For me it is not. I am an nearly engineer and I am telling you without any doubt – all this green wind and sun energy shit is big bullshit. It is stupid to receive electricity through the solar panels and use it for warming up your house – you losing more than you receiving. But it is profitable to use the sun water heating panels for this matter as I mentioned. And again, it is much more profitable to use coal, atomic or hydro station for a whole city than to build at an every single flat one small mini electricity station instead – it is stupid…

[maadmike.livejournal.com]

"Through the politics done over a course of the last 15 years, it looks more like the electricity-producing industry behaves as stingy as stingy capitalists always behave - they want to make money with something for as long as they can, without changing anything in the concept and doing the least of maintenance to keep everything up an running."

Yes, business is business, it matters to understand who's making business when some youngsters are destroying or stopping your plant today... cause tomorrow will be too late... you will be buying or Chinese goods or buying three times more expensive liquefied gas from USA...

[matrixmann]

About Western Greens... I wouldn't wonder if that is true to some extent. Already what you mention - that they protest and hold actions against certain things, but not other ones -, then I also recognize that they... seem to cover old-fashioned Green dogmas right from the 80s (e. g. protesting against coal), which don't make much sense, and they show behavior which is politically not neutral. Like, for example, as, months ago, some "environmental activists" raided the PCK Schwedt and shut down the oil faucet for some time (that's where the Друшба-pipeline docks in Germany).
Out of all possible places, why there? It's so obvious where the hint should point to...

- Just as a joke: At the moment now, it would be quite a fun if someone headed to the place where Nord Stream 2 arrives on German ground and if he turned the gas faucet on. - Just to symbolically say "we've had enough, turn this pipeline on, we don't want to freeze in Winter for a clown in Kiew and for your futile war and pay astronomically high gas bills!".